XSF Discussion - 2018-02-10


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  65. moparisthebest zinid: so e2e isn't important but muc Avatar is?
  66. moparisthebest Sorry I'm just trolling :)
  67. moparisthebest That's the good thing about open protocol and community, everyone can work on what's important to them :)
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  71. zinid marc, yes
  72. zinid moparisthebest, and what are you working on? 🙂
  73. moparisthebest zinid: my most recent xmpp related thing? Client side components/gateways
  74. zinid moparisthebest, where is your e2ee implementations?
  75. moparisthebest Omemo and pgp work fine :)
  76. zinid yeah, tell that 1000 times and you this will become truth
  77. Zash You should read Daves membership reapplication
  78. zinid damn, there is a wall of text again
  79. zinid well, that's Dave 🙂
  80. zinid ok, I read briefly and understood nothing
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  82. moparisthebest Countless e2e xeps?
  83. moparisthebest I only know of 3, 2 of which are pgp and not forward secret
  84. moparisthebest I guess you could add OTR in there
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  87. zinid so if a protocol has a drawback then it's not counted as a protocol?
  88. zinid (I'm not even starting to debate lacking forward secrecy is a drawback)
  89. moparisthebest No I didn't think otr was a xep
  90. zinid moparisthebest, there is also I-D about new e2eee
  91. moparisthebest It's just text encryption people sometimes use over XMPP
  92. zinid so we have omemo, otr, pgp, and that new I-D
  93. zinid four xeps
  94. zinid damn, we probably even have less for file transfer 😉
  95. moparisthebest 2 different pgp xeps
  96. zinid 5 xeps
  97. Zash esessions?
  98. moparisthebest Still way less than countless and almost half are not forward secret
  99. moparisthebest Never heard of them
  100. daniel I guess you didn't use gajim then until three years ago or so
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  102. moparisthebest 2013 I think
  103. moparisthebest I used pgp then
  104. zinid moparisthebest, just implement the protocol where you exchange messages via direct p2p jingle sessions, and call it a day
  105. zinid I think you can install a session via jingle and then use that server-less protocol
  106. zinid what xep is that...
  107. Zash xtls?
  108. zinid https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html
  109. moparisthebest zinid: that's tox and eats battery
  110. zinid who cares? nobody will use it except you and a few other nerds
  111. moparisthebest Well and that would also leak your IP
  112. zinid you can live with that I think
  113. moparisthebest Tox doesn't do that
  114. zinid doesn't do what?
  115. moparisthebest I can also live with pgp or omemo
  116. zinid moparisthebest, the problem is that others cannot leave with omemo
  117. moparisthebest Tox does stuff like tor to avoid leaking your IP
  118. moparisthebest Then don't turn it on?
  119. zinid moparisthebest, I didn't turn it on, but I see other XEPs start to suffer from this OMEMO shit
  120. moparisthebest One could say this vcard shit is spreading too
  121. zinid right now we cannot put any data outside <body/> element, because it's "insecure" and "metadata leaks"
  122. zinid moparisthebest, vcards forbid me to attach elements to stanzas?
  123. moparisthebest The new pgp xep fixes that
  124. moparisthebest And in a way omemo can reuse
  125. zinid fixes what?
  126. moparisthebest It encrypts entire XML sections
  127. zinid so daniel will implement SIMS finally?
  128. moparisthebest Not just body
  129. Zash How do you turn OMEMO off?
  130. moparisthebest Isn't it off by default
  131. zinid Zash, good question, I don't think it's possible to disable OMEMO for incoming messages
  132. zinid at least in conversations
  133. Zash Pretty sure all the clients will just publish keys and stuff without asking first
  134. zinid moparisthebest, it's enabled in Conversations, you still can get incoming messages even if you don't press that "lock icon"
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  305. rion is there any xep to have "message displayed" event? it was in xep-0022 but then it was obsoleted.
  306. Flow rion, "displayed" is considered as an bad idea by some (incl. me) for a federated network, but we have delivery receipts
  307. Flow and it's trivial to build a "message displayed" mechanism for your internal usage
  308. daniel rion: xep333
  309. Zash chat states, message receipts, 333
  310. rion yeah 333 seems to exact match :)
  311. rion thanks
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  313. Flow daniel, wasn't xep333 the one you wanted to take care of?
  314. daniel Flow: yes
  315. Flow daniel, what was the issue with it again?
  316. daniel No major issues. I wanted to clarify it a bit and change some of the rules
  317. jonasw I read that as "nothing. just everything" :-). good morning everyone.
  318. jonasw eh, not even morning anymore
  319. Flow daniel, ahh ok, i thought there where some major issues with it
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  544. Seve/SouL Do you guys know which XMPP server do they use?
  545. Seve/SouL https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-service-outage-at-3-4m-ccu
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  550. edhelas If I'm not wrong it was a tuned ejabberd
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  584. SamWhited I was told MongooseIM at some point