XSF Discussion - 2018-02-18


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  77. rion Is there any XEP where server replies to some specific disco requests on behalf of a user? Especially those queries against new caps.
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  80. rion New caps generare huge amout of traffic when one have a lot of contacts and conferences. As result sometimes it takes a few minutes to send one small text message right after after start of some new version of a client.
  81. rion Just found xep 390. Looks interesting :-)
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  92. rion Yep. 390 says servers MAY support this. Sounds promising :-)
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  99. rion I am going to add its support to Psi regardless of experimental status.
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  136. Seve rion, great!
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  190. flow rion, servers can also announce xep115
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  194. rion yes, I use it already.
  195. flow Then i probably don't understand the issue
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  202. rion the issue is when caps of my client change to something not widely-known (or unknown at all) then my client is flooded by disco requests rendering it to unusable state.
  203. flow interesting, that sound indeed like something for ecaps2
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  205. flow possibly even without explicit server support, just a PEP node with the disco#info result
  206. flow jonasw, ^
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  208. flow Not sure if I would want the contacts service to intercept the requests and answer on behalf of the client, that that's also doable.
  209. flow *but that's
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  211. marc jonasw: subscribed to ML, waiting for mod :)
  212. flow rion, may I ask what's causing the change in disco#info result?
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  214. rion flow: usually new nightly builds :)
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  216. flow ahh, kk
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  219. Ge0rG A nice post mortem on Google Wave... https://jamey.thesharps.us/2018/02/16/how-not-to-replace-email/
  220. flow as if we hadn't talked about wave a few days ago
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  222. flow ups, I meant, "as if they knew we talked about wave a few days ago" :)
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  369. Yagiza Hello!
  370. Yagiza I'd like to ask something about XEP-0092: Software Version
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  372. Yagiza It says: In order for a requesting entity to determine if a responding entity supports this protocol, it SHOULD send a Service Discovery (XEP-0030) [5] information request to the responding entity: without any mention of Entity Capabilities (XEP-0115) like other XEPs do. I wonder why?
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  375. jonasw Yagiza, probably because it was invented before.
  376. jonasw Yagiza, actually, I think most XEPs do not mention optimizations like XEP-0115 or XEP-0390 explicitly; the exception is PEP, which relies on XEP-0115 to work
  377. Yagiza Maybe it's possible to update the XEP before it promoted to Final?
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  380. jonasw I don’t think that it needs to be mentioned.
  381. jonasw if an entity supports 0115 or 0390, it will naturally do the optimization
  382. Yagiza jonasw, even XEP-0071 has that mention
  383. jonasw Explicitly mentioning which optimization to use has the downside that it needs to be updated when a new optimization comes around
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  385. Yagiza jonasw, so, you believe that mention XEP-0030 implies using XEP-0115 when available?
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  388. jonasw yes
  389. Yagiza jonasw, ok
  390. jonasw or XEP-0390 for that matter
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  446. flow I would rather see those redundant mentions of xep115 removed from the affected XEPs
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  450. flow jonasw, what do you think about the xep390 optimization to move the disco#info result from the client to the server?
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  454. flow I'm just not sure if the behavior rion experiences is common. I wouldn't expect clients to receive a storm of disco#info queries when they update their caps.
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  458. jonasw flow, I think the optimization is specified
  459. jonasw flow, so I’m not sure what you’re asking
  460. jonasw flow, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html#rules-servers
  461. flow jonasw, ahh cool, wasn't aware that it's already in xep390
  462. flow jonasw, found a typo: sevrer
  463. jonasw thanks
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  521. dwd edhelas, Yes, I can certainly look at that (XEP-0376). I need to do some work on that, and maybe sketch an implementation too.
  522. edhelas :)
  523. edhelas then let's work together
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