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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[05:57:02] <rion> Is there any XEP where server replies to some specific disco requests on behalf of a user? Especially those queries against new caps.
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[06:05:10] <rion> New caps generare huge amout of traffic when one have a lot of contacts and conferences. As result sometimes it takes a few minutes to send one small text message right after after start of some new version of a client.
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[06:11:57] <rion> Just found xep 390. Looks interesting :-)
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[07:06:30] <rion> Yep. 390 says servers MAY support this. Sounds promising :-)
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[07:20:47] <rion> I am going to add its support to Psi regardless of experimental status.
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[08:10:30] <Seve> rion, great!
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[09:37:07] <flow> rion, servers can also announce xep115
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[09:40:50] <rion> yes, I use it already.
[09:41:28] <flow> Then i probably don't understand the issue
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[09:44:47] <rion> the issue is when caps of my client change to something not widely-known (or unknown at all) then my client is flooded by disco requests rendering it to unusable state.
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[09:45:41] <flow> interesting, that sound indeed like something for ecaps2
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[09:46:20] <flow> possibly even without explicit server support, just a PEP node with the disco#info result
[09:46:23] <flow> jonasw, ^
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[09:47:11] <flow> Not sure if I would want the contacts service to intercept the requests and answer on behalf of the client, that that's also doable.
[09:47:21] <flow> *but that's
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[09:50:05] <marc> jonasw: subscribed to ML, waiting for mod :)
[09:50:35] <flow> rion, may I ask what's causing the change in disco#info result?
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[09:52:15] <rion> flow: usually new nightly builds :)
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[09:52:42] <flow> ahh, kk
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[09:59:15] <Ge0rG> A nice post mortem on Google Wave... https://jamey.thesharps.us/2018/02/16/how-not-to-replace-email/
[09:59:47] <flow> as if we hadn't talked about wave a few days ago
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[10:02:12] <flow> ups, I meant, "as if they knew we talked about wave a few days ago" :)
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[13:33:19] <Yagiza> Hello!
[13:34:23] <Yagiza> I'd like to ask something about XEP-0092: Software Version
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[13:37:05] <Yagiza> It says:
In order for a requesting entity to determine if a responding entity supports this protocol, it SHOULD send a Service Discovery (XEP-0030) [5] information request to the responding entity:
without any mention of Entity Capabilities (XEP-0115) like other XEPs do.
I wonder why?
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[13:37:29] <jonasw> Yagiza, probably because it was invented before.
[13:37:58] <jonasw> Yagiza, actually, I think most XEPs do not mention optimizations like XEP-0115 or XEP-0390 explicitly; the exception is PEP, which relies on XEP-0115 to work
[13:38:54] <Yagiza> Maybe it's possible to update the XEP before it promoted to Final?
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[13:39:12] <jonasw> I don’t think that it needs to be mentioned.
[13:39:29] <jonasw> if an entity supports 0115 or 0390, it will naturally do the optimization
[13:39:38] <Yagiza> jonasw, even XEP-0071 has that mention
[13:40:09] <jonasw> Explicitly mentioning which optimization to use has the downside that it needs to be updated when a new optimization comes around
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[13:40:54] <Yagiza> jonasw, so, you believe that mention XEP-0030 implies using XEP-0115 when available?
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[13:41:02] <jonasw> yes
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[13:41:09] <Yagiza> jonasw, ok
[13:41:10] <jonasw> or XEP-0390 for that matter
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[14:44:27] <flow> I would rather see those redundant mentions of xep115 removed from the affected XEPs
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[14:54:05] <flow> jonasw, what do you think about the xep390 optimization to move the disco#info result from the client to the server?
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[14:58:16] <flow> I'm just not sure if the behavior rion experiences is common. I wouldn't expect clients to receive a storm of disco#info queries when they update their caps.
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[15:07:10] <jonasw> flow, I think the optimization is specified
[15:07:23] <jonasw> flow, so I’m not sure what you’re asking
[15:08:56] <jonasw> flow, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html#rules-servers
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[15:11:52] <flow> jonasw, ahh cool, wasn't aware that it's already in xep390
[15:12:34] <flow> jonasw, found a typo: sevrer
[15:13:08] <jonasw> thanks
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[16:52:09] <dwd> edhelas, Yes, I can certainly look at that (XEP-0376). I need to do some work on that, and maybe sketch an implementation too.
[16:52:20] <edhelas> :)
[16:52:28] <edhelas> then let's work together
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