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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:04:36] <Guus> If a server would like to be able to let its clients look up a semi-static, web-based resource, do we have a mechanism for that?
[08:04:45] <Guus> XEP-0215?
[08:06:10] <jonasw> I’m not sure
[08:06:13] <jonasw> HTTP over XMPP?
[08:06:16] <jonasw> what are you trying to achieve?
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[08:06:31] <Seve> The MUC participants list?
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[08:07:25] <Guus> I'm trying to let clients figure out the URL for a webrtc conference service that can be used
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[08:09:04] <jonasw> ah
[08:09:19] <jonasw> hm
[08:09:21] <jonasw> no idea :-)
[08:09:36] <Ge0rG> put it into the server's disco#items
[08:09:37] <flow> I think the issue is that we have multiple mechanisms for that
[08:10:17] <flow> but basically a well-known location to lookup, if it's disco#info, xep215 or just a defined IQ
[08:10:20] <jonasw> Ge0rG, for it to be useful in disco#items it needs to reply to disco#info (to discover its identity and features)
[08:10:45] <Ge0rG> jonasw: right.
[08:11:07] <flow> is an external webrtc based conference really an identity of an XMPP entity?
[08:11:27] <flow> guess it depends on how tightly coupled they are
[08:11:27] <jonasw> flow, no
[08:11:35] <jonasw> but the issue is that the disco#items item has ~no information
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[08:12:47] <flow> jonasw, you mean only crude hacks would allow the URL of the webrtc conference service to be included in disco#info?
[08:13:00] <jonasw> flow, I’m confused
[08:13:06] <flow> yeah, me too
[08:13:34] <flow> so you are actually takling about the item, hmm
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[08:17:00] <flow> ok, sure you need a follow up disco#info on the item, as you already said, then you could possibly put the URL into a form field of the disco#info response
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[08:17:38] <jonasw> the question is, what would be the JID+node of the item?
[08:18:07] <flow> well if you want MUCs to announce a related webrtc conference, then it would be simply the MUCs bare JID I'd say
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[08:19:46] <flow> Guus, does that help?
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[08:30:46] <Guus> Sorry, got dragged into a phone call
[08:32:02] <Guus> well, it's not always related to an existing MUC. I'd also like to use this for people to invite each-other into a new 1-on-1 call
[08:32:23] <Guus> Flow brought up the same alternatives as that I found
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[08:33:19] <Guus> plain discovery doesn't feel quite right. I'd like to prevent running something custom, so that leaves 0215 - my concern there is that it's highly geared towards STUN/TURN - or at least, that's how I've used it.
[08:34:09] <Guus> I'll try to see where 0215 gets me, and work from there.
[08:34:14] <Guus> Thanks guys.
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[08:36:57] <jonasw> \o/
[08:37:06] <jonasw> make sure to report back, so that we can maybe get that Un-Deferred
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[08:37:46] <Guus> I've actually implemented it in Openfire
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[08:38:26] <Guus> In some setups, Jitsi is also using it
[08:38:51] <Guus> so, yeah, maybe dusting that off isn't the worst idea
[08:39:11] <Guus> I think Prosody has two modules for it
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[10:56:57] <Tobias> so what do people do against subscription spam?
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[10:57:46] <Holger> One idea is requiring a CAPTCHA ...
[10:58:09] <Tobias> what clients support thatß
[10:58:11] <Tobias> what clients support that?
[10:58:17] <Guus> I've actually not had spam in along time
[10:58:28] <Guus> I did blacklist some domains though
[10:58:43] <Tobias> i get 2-3 spam requests a week or so
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[11:00:02] <Guus> I'm also reaching out to server admins from where I see spam, with mixed results.
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[11:01:00] <Guus> I've added xep-0157 support in the last release of Openfire, which should gradually start to help with that, in the future
[11:01:28] <Zash> I usually check if source servers have in-band registration enabled and if there's any 157 addrs, then block.
[11:01:30] <Guus> and yeah, I want to do the captch thing too, server-sided, but haven't found the time yet.
[11:01:37] <Holger> Tobias: Well you'd include an HTTP(S) URL in the <body/> for those clients that don't support it. (But quite a few do I think.)
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[11:02:51] <Zash> captcha-like thing that's just an user-set question with a predefined answer sounded promising, anyone looked into having that serverside?
[11:03:17] <Guus> Zash, there's a XEP for it that appear to cover it pretty well
[11:03:25] <Zash> Oh?
[11:03:45] <Guus> I don't know if I like it's suggestion of tying it in with privacy lists, but at least it's a definition that we can already use, today.
[11:03:47] <Guus> let me find it
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[11:05:35] <Guus> -0159
[11:06:24] <Zash> -xep 159
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[11:06:27] <Bunneh> Zash: Spim-Blocking Control (Standards Track, Deferred, 2006-07-11)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0159.html
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[11:06:42] <Guus> it doesn't explicitly tell you to do CAPTCHA, but it does explain how the server-sided blocking process should work, and when it should start spim recognition procedures
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[11:09:54] <Seve> I like user-set questions, but the problem on the other hand maybe providing several questions, one for each language you speak, for instance.
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[11:10:05] <Seve> I haven't check the XEP though
[11:10:55] <Zash> -xep pars
[11:10:56] <Bunneh> Zash: Pre-Authenticated Roster Subscription (Standards Track, Experimental, 2017-02-16)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0379.html
[11:11:47] <Ge0rG> Zash: can we have automatically maintained JID whitelist for all JIDs that a local user ever sent messages to?
[11:12:10] <Ge0rG> Also I really dislike the word "spim".
[11:12:28] <Zash> seriosuly pointless instant messages
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[11:13:31] <Guus> Ge0rG, 0159 refers to those lists as 'correspondents lists'
[11:13:47] <Zash> Ge0rG: Technically, with MAM, you do.
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[11:14:10] <Zash> `SELECT DISTINCT "with"` pretty much
[11:14:15] <Ge0rG> Zash: are we talking `SELECT DISTINCT with`?
[11:14:16] <Ge0rG> Eww.
[11:14:24] <Ge0rG> That has O(fail) complexity
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[11:15:42] <Zash> Ge0rG: My point is, it can be derived from MAM data already.
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[11:16:20] <Ge0rG> Zash: except for the "ever" part
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[11:22:21] <Holger> Ge0rG: Privacy people won't like you keeping such metadata forever!
[11:23:05] <Zash> Ge0rG: Why tho?
[11:23:15] <Ge0rG> Holger: bloom filters everywhere!
[11:23:29] <Ge0rG> Zash: as a whitelist against incoming spam
[11:23:32] <Holger> Isn't the MAM data is good enough in practice for whitelisting people from anti-spam mechanisms? In case that was the idea.
[11:23:48] <Ge0rG> Holger: maybe, except if you don't use mam
[11:24:03] <Holger> Then you're an unhappy person anyway.
[11:24:06] <Guus> if you haven't talked to someone long enough for them to still be in your mam archive... yeah.
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[11:26:43] <Holger> Ge0rG: I'm still bit undecided on whether to like how we can offer an IM solution with server-side storage being optional vs. hating this fact because we need to solve everything twice, for the MAM and for the non-MAM case.
[11:27:33] <Zash> Can't we be happy with rosters (and directed presence) as whitelist?
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[11:29:36] <Holger> If I bug you with a Prosody question despite you not being on my roster, I'd prefer you not also having to cope with a CAPTCHA because you're probably annoyed by my question anyway.
[11:29:57] <Zash> We have a chatroom for that :)
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[11:30:11] <Holger> But I'm a user, I prefer bugging you in private.
[11:31:13] <Zash> Not that I really believe in CAPTCHAs anyways
[11:31:49] <Holger> Yes they're not the proper solution. But a hack that works better than other hacks, in my book.
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[11:32:54] <Holger> I still think the proper solution is SpamAssassin. Auto-classifying traffic based on as many factors as we can get hold of.
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[11:33:57] <Holger> Well the proper solution is ditching capitalism.
[11:34:05] <Guus> does SpamAssassin work for non-email environments?
[11:34:15] <Holger> Guus: No I just meant the concept.
[11:34:21] <Guus> kk
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[11:35:34] <MattJ> Holger, I'm less convinced that will work with IM, since messages are shorter
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[11:36:05] <MattJ> All it takes is spammers to adapt to sending 'Hi' messages, although what they currently send is pretty email-like (whole advert in a self-contained message)
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[11:36:16] <Holger> MattJ: But then again we have things email doesn't have, such as the roster, and proper s2s authentication.
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[11:36:45] <Guus> There's no one silver bullet here. We'll likely need multiple, partial solutions.
[11:36:45] <Holger> MattJ: The email body is just one of *many* things SpamAssassin looks at.
[11:36:53] <MattJ> That is true, but in any "learning" anti-spam system, it's just going to learn that not being on the roster is a very high indicator of spam
[11:36:58] <MattJ> which is just what we knew already :)
[11:37:38] <MattJ> I can count the number of times I get legitimate out-of-roster messages in a year on the fingers of a single hand
[11:37:55] <Holger> Exactly? I'm just proposing to take all such indicators into account, add them up and divide by 42, look at the resulting score and decide.
[11:37:56] <MattJ> and for a normal user, I'd expect that to be even lower
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[11:38:22] <Holger> So you'd rather not look at other indicators and just block strangers or what?
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[11:39:20] <Holger> Single hand per year sounds realistic to me (actually it's a bit more for me I think), and I'd rather not kill that communication off.
[11:39:36] <MattJ> No, I'm just saying I don't think the added complexity is worth it compared to a human figuring out the same factors (and there aren't many)
[11:40:24] <Holger> I think there are actually quite a few factors a server can look at but a user can't.
[11:41:05] <Holger> Traffic frequency, blacklists, I don't know.
[11:41:53] <Holger> And I believe we could get a good classification rate without having to bother the user. Like we can for email. I might be wrong of course.
[11:42:52] <Zash> Stick all the classifiers we know into a tag on the message?
[11:43:11] <Zash> Wasn't one of the spam XEPs something like that?
[11:43:14] <Zash> -xep spim markers
[11:43:14] <Bunneh> Zash: Multiple matches:
Spim Markers and Reports https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/spim.html
Spim Markers and Reports https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0287.html
[11:43:47] <Zash> Bunneh: how about you skip the inbox one if it's published?
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[12:11:53] <Ge0rG> Holger: the problem with a server-side classifier is that it needs to delay messages
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[12:13:35] <Holger> Ge0rG: Because?
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[12:14:43] <Ge0rG> Holger: to gain sufficient context to identify spam patterns
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[12:15:08] <Ge0rG> Holger: like "(presence followed by message with a link) sent to ten users"
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[12:18:07] <Holger> Well this sounds like just one of many things you could check, to me. If it seems too undesirable, don't do it.
[12:18:35] <Holger> I heard of someone getting good results with simpler mod_firewall rules.
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[12:25:19] <Ge0rG> Holger: mod_firewall can't block presence that comes right before the spam message.
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[15:19:19] <Zash> Holger, Ge0rG: It stops being Instant Messaging if you gotta hold on to stuff for checks before delivering.
[15:19:58] <Ge0rG> Zash: let me tell you about the irony of your response taking over three hours.
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[15:20:12] <Tobias> :)
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[15:20:53] <Zash> I was out
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[15:21:21] <Ge0rG> Zash: with CSI, that presence subscription will be delayed anyway.
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[15:23:01] <Holger> Subscription request should not be delayed.
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[15:24:08] <Ge0rG> Still, I'm sure we could delay spammy looking things for like 10 seconds
[15:24:20] <Ge0rG> And that would give us a window of opportunity to detect spammy patterns
[15:25:02] <Holger> But imagine someone says something WRONG and you can't respond IMMEDIATELY.
[15:25:14] <Zash> THE HORROR
[15:25:25] <Zash> That would just violate the entire purpose of the Internet !
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[15:26:06] <Ge0rG> I'll violate the purpose of the internet now and go offline.
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[15:36:33] <Guus> Don't overreact guys. There will still be images of cats.
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[16:09:39] <moparisthebest> well then spammers would just wait 11 seconds Ge0rG
[16:09:58] <moparisthebest> it's *always* going to be an arms race
[16:10:12] <moparisthebest> there is no solution, only 'good enough for now'
[16:10:25] <Zash> as long as the incentives and the roi are there
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[16:29:37] <Holger> https://www.eveonline.com/article/p4g5k3/preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice
[16:29:58] <Kev> OK, this was not a channel I expected to see linking to Eve.
[16:30:39] <Kev> That ejabberd?
[16:31:30] <Holger> No idea.
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[17:37:44] <Holger> Ah so I learnt from Neustradamus that this is old stuff. Wasn't aware and the article's date says 2018-02-20 ...
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[17:38:50] <SaltyBones> not convinced
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[17:38:54] <SaltyBones> the forum thread it links to is also recent
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[17:56:57] <Kev> Holger: It's not old stuff, it's newly announced today.
[17:57:02] <Kev> And yes, it's a fork of ejabberd.
[17:57:09] <Kev> Or, at least, CCP have a fork of ejabberd on github.
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[19:39:30] <Neustradamus> Kev: Yes but an upgrade of ejabberd, not a new service, XMPP is used since a long time :)
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[19:41:29] <Kev> Why would CCP lie?
[19:41:46] <Kev> I think some sort of reference is in order here.
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[19:44:03] <Ge0rG> That's something we need to put on our marketing banners either way!
[19:44:38] <Ge0rG> "listen, KDE dudes and dudettes! Eve Online is using xmpp, and you can too!"
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[19:46:52] <Guus> as are riot games, right?
[19:47:03] <Guus> League of Legends (or what's it called)?
[19:47:28] <Ge0rG> Guus: yes and yes.
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[19:48:19] <Ge0rG> Is there an online gaming imperium running in the matrix?
[19:48:21] <SamWhited> I suspect the KDE peoples use case is significantly different from an online game's chat system, unfortunately
[19:48:34] <SamWhited> Although it's probably still good marketing
[19:48:45] <daniel> Some other game engine (maybe unreal?) also has an xmpp client build in for team chat
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[19:50:14] <Ge0rG> I think the strength is rather in match making, where you need to have a real time connection to many thousands users, and not so much for chats in a small team that's exchanging data all the time anyway
[19:51:27] <daniel> Oh yeah that might by right. Just stumbled over the api docs one days. Never really questioned what exactly they are using it for
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[20:01:16] <Guus> daniel, game-wise, I know that Quake-live used it.
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[20:06:26] <Guus> I'm actually considering parsing the user-input provided in our setup field named 'database URL' to drop [ and ]
[20:06:52] <Guus> The template that we provide is: jdbc:postgresql://[host-name]:5432/[database-name]
[20:07:05] <Guus> we just had someone with problems, connecting to [localhost]
[20:07:21] <moparisthebest> are those valid characters for the database-name part though?
[20:07:56] <moparisthebest> but you could also just change that to HOST-NAME-HERE
[20:08:05] <Guus> I'm guessing that we save more people from their own stupidity than bother those machosists that actually use [ or ] in a database name.
[20:08:37] <moparisthebest> you can change some stuff, but in the end, you can't fix stupid :)
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[20:10:41] <Guus> maybe don't ask for the URL, but use explicit fields for hostname and databasename
[20:11:29] <moparisthebest> in my experience that's a bad time, unless you only ever support postgresql or something
[20:11:44] <moparisthebest> because different jdbc drivers take different crazy arguments you can only supply via URL
[20:12:17] <Guus> nah, a couple different ones. but all basically require a host, port and some kind of database identifier. We can change the input field label where needed.
[20:12:21] <moparisthebest> I have to do this for example jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/rcrdit?user=rcrdit&password=rcrdit&serverTimezone=America/New_York
[20:12:37] <Guus> and the people that want to use a URL, are savvy enough to simply use our XML config instead.
[20:13:09] <Guus> databasename=username=password, nice :)
[20:13:10] <moparisthebest> oracle has a whole thing about using a host:port:instance-or-something vs host:port/service-name
[20:13:37] <moparisthebest> and you can't set those seperately without tying your code exclusively to oracle at compile-time, if you don't just use the URL
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[20:14:04] <moparisthebest> yea as long as you keep a URL an option it should be fine
[20:14:36] <moparisthebest> also on everything matching this is example config :)
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[20:14:53] <moparisthebest> my point being had to set the serverTimezone in the URL which is obnoxious
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[20:15:25] <Guus> (on a side-note: can't you configure that server-side in mysql - something like: 'these are the default client connection params')
[20:16:17] <moparisthebest> you'd think, the jdbc driver still crashed though, didn't look into it much
[20:16:19] <Neustradamus> https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=665867 :)
[20:16:27] <moparisthebest> it's probably like charset in mysql where you have to set it all 16 places
[20:16:37] <Guus> yeah, mysql is fun :)
[20:16:58] <moparisthebest> migrating to postgres has been on my todo list awhile now
[20:17:11] <moparisthebest> hard to fix what ain't broke though when other stuff needs fixing :)
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[20:17:40] <Guus> I know the feeling all to well
[20:19:13] <Kev> Neustradamus: What's the relevance of that link?
[20:19:42] <Kev> That Eve corps commonly use XMPP servers for pings is common knowledge, and unrelated to Eve chat.
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[20:20:43] <moparisthebest> it says "It's an Instant Messaging server for EVE players, with some EVE API integration."
[20:21:05] <Kev> Some player ran an XMPP server and sold access to Eve players.
[20:21:15] <Kev> I'm still missing the relevance.
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[20:21:36] <moparisthebest> ah I see
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[20:38:22] <Neustradamus> https://engineering.riotgames.com/news/chat-service-architecture-servers 2015 here
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[20:39:43] <pep.> "and thanking opponents for a good game." haha
[20:40:41] <pep.> I'd be interested to have stats for that, I believe insults are more frequent
[20:42:09] <Holger> Neustradamus: Than one I'm aware of, but Riotgames is unrelated to CPP/Eve, no?
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[20:43:54] <Kev> Yes.
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[21:09:56] <Neustradamus> Kev: http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:408940/FULLTEXT01.pdf maybe better here?
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[22:27:34] <jjrh> If i'm making a online game why on earth would I roll my own chat system when something like XMPP already exists?
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[22:28:42] <jjrh> with a long list of deployments serving huge numbers of users :)
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[22:30:17] <jjrh> Did RIOT employees ever write or contribute any XEPs?
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[22:51:13] <Kev> Is that important? If every user of XMPP needs to write a bunch of XEPs, we're probably not doing a great job.
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[23:28:43] <jjrh> no certainly not - just interesting
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[23:40:46] <stefandxm> riotgames .. same as riot entertainment? :D
[23:41:00] <stefandxm> "I survived riot entertainment" :o
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