XSF Discussion - 2018-02-24


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  139. jonasw seems like it
  140. jonasw maybe an editorial mistake that the jabber:iq:register FORM_TYPE isn’t used in the register workflow?
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  405. Guus Does the Dino client use a fixed resource-part value?
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  408. Zash tries
  409. Zash gets "dino.8ec193f8"
  410. Seve Their MUC: chat@dino.im
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  435. jonasw SamWhited, uh, are you sure about that?
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  437. jonasw grepping through my presence, I see the following XEP-0115 nodes which emit(ted) sha1 hashes: node='http://bitlbee.org/xmpp/caps' node='http://code.matthewwild.co.uk/riddim/' node='http://conversations.im' node='http://gajim.org' node='http://mcabber.com/caps' node='http://miranda-ng.org/caps' node='http://pidgin.im/' node='http://psi-dev.googlecode.com/caps' node='http://psi-im.org' node='http://psi-plus.com' node='https://dino.im' node='https://github.com/robbiehanson/XMPPFramework' node='http://sleekxmpp.com/ver/1.3.2' node='http://slixmpp.com/ver/1.2.4' node='http://slixmpp.com/ver/1.3.0' node='http://swift.im' node='http://tkabber.jabber.ru/' node='http://vacuum-im.googlecode.com' node='http://www.android.com/gtalk/client/caps' node='http://www.apple.com/ichat/caps' node='http://www.eyecu.ru' node='http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/smack' node='http://www.profanity.im'
  438. Zash ENOCTX
  439. jonasw this should be about the total ecosystem and I’m wondering where you’re getting the base64 from
  440. SamWhited ahh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood; I thought he was looking at the bindata, let me check again.
  441. jonasw Zash, {xep 0153} presence update SHA1 encoding
  442. Bunneh Zash: vCard-Based Avatars (Historical, Active, 2006-08-16) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0153.html
  443. jonasw XEP schema says base64, XEP normative text says nothing about that, the whole ecosystem uses lowercase hex
  444. Zash Classic ecosystem.
  445. jonasw Zash, also, newest standards@ thread
  446. Zash I look away from mutt for 5 seconds and there's a bazillion new posts...
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  448. daniel I think every one uses hex
  449. daniel Also the node in the pep avatar is also hex
  450. SamWhited It references RFC3174 which shows things in hex, I'm pretty sure. Still, seems as if it should be clarified.
  451. Zash hex vs b64 inconsistensy has happened before, like in the hashes xep, and jingle file transfer
  452. daniel > Now this is fun. First of all, the mantra: The Schemas Are Not Normative. the schemas are not normative? the examples aren't either. so what is?
  453. daniel and why do we have schemas and examples
  454. Zash the text is normative
  455. Zash which is great when all the text says is "this is how you do it:" followed by examples
  456. SamWhited I wish we'd get rid of schemas, for something that supposedly makes things less confusing it ends up introducing a lot of confusion.
  457. SamWhited And make examples normative since that's all anyone looks at anyways.
  458. Zash SamWhited: Unless the author goes the distance to make the schemas normative-worthy perhaps?
  459. SamWhited That would be nice, except that most authors don't understand XML schema, it's too confusing, and way too easy to get wrong.
  460. jonasw also, things we like to do are hard to express in XML schemas, see {xep 30}
  461. Bunneh jonasw: Service Discovery (Standards Track, Final, 2017-10-03) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html
  462. SamWhited Right, you end up needing xml schema 2 which was more or less never implemented.
  463. jonasw SamWhited, you scared me there for a second with your base64 :)
  464. SamWhited jonasw: amusingly enough, I was confused because he sent xml schema…
  465. SamWhited (okay, that's not entirely fair, he did say "hash" as well, which I should have understood to mean the sha1)
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