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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[09:12:59] <jonasw> seems like it
[09:13:47] <jonasw> maybe an editorial mistake that the jabber:iq:register FORM_TYPE isn’t used in the register workflow?
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[19:10:46] <Guus> Does the Dino client use a fixed resource-part value?
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[19:12:10] *Zash tries
[19:12:15] *Zash gets "dino.8ec193f8"
[19:12:16] <Seve> Their MUC: chat@dino.im
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[20:13:10] <jonasw> SamWhited, uh, are you sure about that?
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[20:13:30] <jonasw> grepping through my presence, I see the following XEP-0115 nodes which emit(ted) sha1 hashes:
node='http://bitlbee.org/xmpp/caps'
node='http://code.matthewwild.co.uk/riddim/'
node='http://conversations.im'
node='http://gajim.org'
node='http://mcabber.com/caps'
node='http://miranda-ng.org/caps'
node='http://pidgin.im/'
node='http://psi-dev.googlecode.com/caps'
node='http://psi-im.org'
node='http://psi-plus.com'
node='https://dino.im'
node='https://github.com/robbiehanson/XMPPFramework'
node='http://sleekxmpp.com/ver/1.3.2'
node='http://slixmpp.com/ver/1.2.4'
node='http://slixmpp.com/ver/1.3.0'
node='http://swift.im'
node='http://tkabber.jabber.ru/'
node='http://vacuum-im.googlecode.com'
node='http://www.android.com/gtalk/client/caps'
node='http://www.apple.com/ichat/caps'
node='http://www.eyecu.ru'
node='http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/smack'
node='http://www.profanity.im'
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[20:13:50] <Zash> ENOCTX
[20:13:50] <jonasw> this should be about the total ecosystem and I’m wondering where you’re getting the base64 from
[20:13:51] <SamWhited> ahh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood; I thought he was looking at the bindata, let me check again.
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[20:14:15] <jonasw> Zash, {xep 0153} presence update SHA1 encoding
[20:14:17] <Bunneh> Zash: vCard-Based Avatars (Historical, Active, 2006-08-16)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0153.html
[20:14:31] <jonasw> XEP schema says base64, XEP normative text says nothing about that, the whole ecosystem uses lowercase hex
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[20:14:52] <Zash> Classic ecosystem.
[20:15:05] <jonasw> Zash, also, newest standards@ thread
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[20:15:54] <Zash> I look away from mutt for 5 seconds and there's a bazillion new posts...
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[20:18:05] <daniel> I think every one uses hex
[20:18:28] <daniel> Also the node in the pep avatar is also hex
[20:18:57] <SamWhited> It references RFC3174 which shows things in hex, I'm pretty sure. Still, seems as if it should be clarified.
[20:19:09] <Zash> hex vs b64 inconsistensy has happened before, like in the hashes xep, and jingle file transfer
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[20:24:31] <daniel> > Now this is fun. First of all, the mantra: The Schemas Are Not Normative.
the schemas are not normative? the examples aren't either. so what is?
[20:24:47] <daniel> and why do we have schemas and examples
[20:24:55] <Zash> the text is normative
[20:25:11] <Zash> which is great when all the text says is "this is how you do it:" followed by examples
[20:25:14] <SamWhited> I wish we'd get rid of schemas, for something that supposedly makes things less confusing it ends up introducing a lot of confusion.
[20:25:36] <SamWhited> And make examples normative since that's all anyone looks at anyways.
[20:25:56] <Zash> SamWhited: Unless the author goes the distance to make the schemas normative-worthy perhaps?
[20:26:15] <SamWhited> That would be nice, except that most authors don't understand XML schema, it's too confusing, and way too easy to get wrong.
[20:26:37] <jonasw> also, things we like to do are hard to express in XML schemas, see {xep 30}
[20:26:37] <Bunneh> jonasw: Service Discovery (Standards Track, Final, 2017-10-03)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html
[20:27:43] <SamWhited> Right, you end up needing xml schema 2 which was more or less never implemented.
[20:27:44] <jonasw> SamWhited, you scared me there for a second with your base64 :)
[20:28:26] <SamWhited> jonasw: amusingly enough, I was confused because he sent xml schema…
[20:28:41] <SamWhited> (okay, that's not entirely fair, he did say "hash" as well, which I should have understood to mean the sha1)
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