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  271. Ge0rG flow: now that MUCs SHOULD retain message @ids, would you remove <origin-id> from 0359? :)
  272. jonasw and then we’re gonna burn 0359 and re-integrate stanza-id into MAM?
  273. jonasw + a "Best Practices for Message IDs" informational XEP referenced from all the XEPs which reference message IDs
  274. Ge0rG jonasw: awesome idea
  275. Ge0rG "This document is a patch of RFC 6120" ;)
  276. jonasw i.e. "use at least 120 bits of entropy, however you do that. a uuid4 is fine, if seeded from a proper CSPRNG"
  277. Ge0rG "please don't use hex-encoding"
  278. jonasw doesn’t matter, in the end. if implementations have easy access to a CSPRNG-seeded uuid4, I prefer them using that over building their own thing which uses rand()
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  280. Ge0rG Lazy but effective
  281. Ge0rG I still hate the 50% bit efficency of hex encoding.
  282. jonasw I do too
  283. jonasw and uuids don’t improve that with their dashes
  284. Ge0rG Right.
  285. jonasw getrandom | base64 is my favourite, but yeah.
  286. jonasw urlsafe base64 probably
  287. Ge0rG But this is probably a sign of the times, where people bundle a 500KB JavaScript application into a 700MB runtime
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  290. jonasw or implement IM clients whose core message view component is a browser engine.
  291. Ge0rG it's webviews all the way down
  292. jonasw yeah
  293. jonasw (tbf, I plan to implement a non-webview thing optionally for the type of folks who prefer compact monospaced things)
  294. jonasw no embedded youtube for those then though!
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  317. Ge0rG jonasw: you can add another [X] into https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/601 ;)
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  420. jonasw so how should a modern client pick it’s resource?
  421. jonasw generate a random ID (4-6 chars) and use "$clientname.$randomid"?
  422. jonasw for extra fubar, use emoji as random ID :-)
  423. MattJ jonasw, that's my personal preference these days
  424. jonasw (for extra fubar, I could use emoji as random ID :-))
  425. MattJ Even though I spent years telling Ge0rG he was wrong
  426. MattJ for this, and for sending to bare JIDs
  427. daniel Yes that's what I'm doing
  428. jonasw what did change your mind about the resource thing?
  429. daniel 3 bytes random in base64
  430. daniel That's four chars
  431. MattJ jonasw, the realisation that the server can override it, so it really doesn't matter - and it's useful for tracking devices
  432. jonasw right
  433. MattJ My preference would be that bind2 comes along with a device-id built-in
  434. MattJ But until that day, this works fine (and is backwards-compatible with all the clients that allow manual resources)
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  438. Dave Cridland I just use a fixed resource string.
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  440. Zash Holy war!
  441. MattJ Server developers will always win this one
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  445. Ge0rG MattJ: server developers might have the bigger lever, but they don't win by just applying it
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  447. Ge0rG They can make life miserable for everyone, but in my book that's not synonymous to "win
  448. MattJ and here I thought the definition of "to win" was "to make life miserable for everyone who lost"
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  452. Ge0rG MattJ: I'd say "to win" also includes making life better for yourself
  453. Ge0rG Unless you are in for the game.
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