XSF Discussion - 2018-03-31


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  16. pep. winfried, thanks for the wiki page! (I don't remember if I already said)
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  167. winfried pep. Thanks, I couldn't have done it without your notes!
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  653. Ge0rG What's the correct way to handle MUC-PMs in MAM?
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  655. Zash Run away screaming!
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  657. Ge0rG Zash: that doesn't work because I don't know which messages in MAM are MUC-PMs
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  661. Ge0rG case in point: a user has left a MUC a while ago, but is receiving MUC-PMs from MAM now, which the client doesn't correctly identify as PMs
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  665. Zash Without the <{muc}x>?
  666. Ge0rG This is either a bug in Conversations, which doesn't identify them as MUC-PMs (and I know that's a mess) or a bug in prosody for storing them in user's MAM
  667. Ge0rG Zash: yes
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  671. Holger I think PMs should be stored in MAM (until they die).
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  680. Ge0rG Holger: which MAM
  681. Ge0rG User's or MUCs?
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  687. daniel I think storing PMs in user archive is fine
  688. daniel Considering the general mess that PMs are
  689. daniel And I think C2 will recognize them correctly as PMs if they have the x tag
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  695. Ge0rG daniel: and if they don't?
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  697. Ge0rG daniel: a user complained about conversations showing PMs from a month ago as normal non PMs from the MUC JID
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  700. Ge0rG The "from a month ago" part is probably an unrelated prosody bug
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  706. daniel Ge0rG: maybe old version
  707. daniel I was talking only c2
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  709. Holger Ge0rG: Maybe it's good enough if we fix the case where the tag was added.
  710. Ge0rG Holger: maybe
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  712. Ge0rG daniel: happened on beta 2
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  716. daniel Ge0rG: I don't recall when I fixed that
  717. Ge0rG daniel: me neither 😀
  718. daniel OK let me rephrase this. I know when I fixed it. But I didn't know when I made the beta2
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  721. Ge0rG daniel: alright, thanks. I'll suggest the user to update.
  722. Zash Is there a XEP template in the xeps repo?
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  724. daniel Ge0rG: yeah I would have preferred if fdroid didn't make the beta version stable
  725. daniel And then stay on that version for weeks
  726. daniel You get what you pay for
  727. Ge0rG I guess that's fair. I've got my own share of free riders
  728. Kev Zash: There is.
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  730. daniel Ge0rG, fwiw (neat Conversations trick #143) i also check if the domain matches the known discovered muc server
  731. daniel that only works on the 'home' muc server
  732. daniel but for regular users thats 88% of the cases
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  734. Ge0rG daniel: you could check against all bookmarks and MUC domains
  735. daniel yes. but i'm afraid of false positives
  736. daniel who knows what people put in their bookmarks
  737. Ge0rG Yaxim even comes with a static server list
  738. Ge0rG daniel: right, the implications will be very interesting
  739. Zash What about the neat trick where you can have user@host and room@host? :)
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  741. Ge0rG Zash: it's a nice way to make everyone do more round trips
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  787. Zash Waaaaaaaaaait a minute
  788. Zash > stamp | The time when the XML stanza was originally sent
  789. Zash in xep-0203
  790. Zash Shouldn't that be "received by whoever caused the delay"?
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  795. Zash The speed of light, electrons and CPU cycles aren't infinite, so only the sender knows exacly when it was originally sent.
  796. Zash Modulo time sync issues.
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  805. Ge0rG Modulo the philosophical meaning of "to send"
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