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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[00:44:34] <pep.> winfried, thanks for the wiki page! (I don't remember if I already said)
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[06:25:35] <winfried> pep. Thanks, I couldn't have done it without your notes!
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[16:12:54] <Ge0rG> What's the correct way to handle MUC-PMs in MAM?
[16:13:45] <Zash> Run away screaming!
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[16:14:07] <Ge0rG> Zash: that doesn't work because I don't know which messages in MAM are MUC-PMs
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[16:15:29] <Ge0rG> case in point: a user has left a MUC a while ago, but is receiving MUC-PMs from MAM now, which the client doesn't correctly identify as PMs
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[16:18:56] <Zash> Without the <{muc}x>?
[16:18:58] <Ge0rG> This is either a bug in Conversations, which doesn't identify them as MUC-PMs (and I know that's a mess) or a bug in prosody for storing them in user's MAM
[16:19:00] <Ge0rG> Zash: yes
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[16:27:15] <Holger> I think PMs should be stored in MAM (until they die).
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[16:34:35] <Ge0rG> Holger: which MAM
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[16:36:47] <Ge0rG> User's or MUCs?
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[16:39:46] <daniel> I think storing PMs in user archive is fine
[16:40:08] <daniel> Considering the general mess that PMs are
[16:41:12] <daniel> And I think C2 will recognize them correctly as PMs if they have the x tag
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[16:45:46] <Ge0rG> daniel: and if they don't?
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[16:46:24] <Ge0rG> daniel: a user complained about conversations showing PMs from a month ago as normal non PMs from the MUC JID
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[16:47:37] <Ge0rG> The "from a month ago" part is probably an unrelated prosody bug
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[16:52:24] <daniel> Ge0rG: maybe old version
[16:52:32] <daniel> I was talking only c2
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[16:57:24] <Holger> Ge0rG: Maybe it's good enough if we fix the case where the tag was added.
[16:58:08] <Ge0rG> Holger: maybe
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[17:00:57] <Ge0rG> daniel: happened on beta 2
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[17:03:03] <daniel> Ge0rG: I don't recall when I fixed that
[17:03:40] <Ge0rG> daniel: me neither 😀
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[17:04:45] <daniel> OK let me rephrase this. I know when I fixed it. But I didn't know when I made the beta2
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[17:08:50] <Ge0rG> daniel: alright, thanks. I'll suggest the user to update.
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[17:11:02] <Zash> Is there a XEP template in the xeps repo?
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[17:14:46] <daniel> Ge0rG: yeah I would have preferred if fdroid didn't make the beta version stable
[17:14:56] <daniel> And then stay on that version for weeks
[17:15:13] <daniel> You get what you pay for
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[17:19:08] <Ge0rG> I guess that's fair. I've got my own share of free riders
[17:22:18] <Kev> Zash: There is.
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[17:24:08] <daniel> Ge0rG, fwiw (neat Conversations trick #143) i also check if the domain matches the known discovered muc server
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[17:24:17] <daniel> that only works on the 'home' muc server
[17:24:34] <daniel> but for regular users thats 88% of the cases
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[17:26:02] <Ge0rG> daniel: you could check against all bookmarks and MUC domains
[17:26:20] <daniel> yes. but i'm afraid of false positives
[17:26:28] <daniel> who knows what people put in their bookmarks
[17:26:28] <Ge0rG> Yaxim even comes with a static server list
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[17:26:50] <Ge0rG> daniel: right, the implications will be very interesting
[17:27:43] <Zash> What about the neat trick where you can have user@host and room@host? :)
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[17:29:17] <Ge0rG> Zash: it's a nice way to make everyone do more round trips
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[18:13:43] <Zash> Waaaaaaaaaait a minute
[18:14:11] <Zash> > stamp | The time when the XML stanza was originally sent
[18:14:15] <Zash> in xep-0203
[18:14:38] <Zash> Shouldn't that be "received by whoever caused the delay"?
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[18:17:00] <Zash> The speed of light, electrons and CPU cycles aren't infinite, so only the sender knows exacly when it was originally sent.
[18:17:06] <Zash> Modulo time sync issues.
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[18:25:41] <Ge0rG> Modulo the philosophical meaning of "to send"
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