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  2. Maranda nice and so I managed to send the error on the wrong stream...
  3. Maranda luckily it's fixed, all the blame goes on the flow scheme in {xep 220} that always confused me to hell.
  4. Bunneh Maranda: Server Dialback (Standards Track, Draft, 2015-03-12) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0220.html
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  186. SaltyBones Saw this on hn last night and had never heard of it: https://tox.chat/
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  205. Ge0rG https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16750265 that comment made me really sad. And it doesn't even look like sarcasm...
  206. jonasw ow
  207. edhelas > Prosody is very simple to set up, ejabberd can scale to infinity.
  208. edhelas … and beyond
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  211. Ge0rG Faster than the speed of light!
  212. jonasw objection!
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  215. edhelas erlang makes your CPU runs faster
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  252. Maranda That doesn't compute
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  254. Maranda And I broke bidi ™️
  255. jonasw maybe you need a better compute-r
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  258. Maranda How I don't have a clue (yet) ™️
  259. Maranda Aka never try to untagle messy code at 2:30 am.
  260. Maranda s/untagle/untangle/
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  269. Maranda And found it
  270. dwd Maranda, I've got a broken bidi in Metre as well. It's deceptively tricky to get right.
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  274. Maranda dwd: it's not bidi being broke, I broke mod_s2s which broke everything not just bidi, just because "mark connected" expects an event to return "true" and that is not there anymore yay \o/
  275. dwd Oh, fun.
  276. Maranda Let's hope no s2s stream closes before I'm home again.
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  278. Maranda s/mark connected/make authenticated/
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  283. Maranda dwd, good news is that I think I _finally_ managed to fix and untangle (most of) that mess that is s2s/dialback code.
  284. Maranda (Dialback expecially)
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  286. dwd Metre is basically all S2S code, so I can appreciate that.
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  361. Zash dwd: Have you tried Metre with Prosody ?
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  541. Maranda And there we go...
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  620. Ge0rG The more I think about the account-MUC-bouncer and some kind of extended notification mechanism, the more I like it.
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  623. Maranda :O
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  654. jonasw have you figured out a proper way of dealing with MUC service reboots and s2s errors yet?
  655. Ge0rG jonasw: there is none. But at least the server should know when s2s errors happen
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  657. jonasw Ge0rG, syncing from one MAM to the other could work.
  658. Ge0rG MAM-to-MAM transfer!
  659. jonasw it doesn’t solve the JID hack tohugh
  660. jonasw DMA, direct MAM access.
  661. Ge0rG which JID hack?
  662. jonasw the JID hack which is called MUC
  663. Ge0rG Hm. Maybe.
  664. jonasw you know, where resources of a JID represent entirely different identities
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  666. Ge0rG I've learned to live with that hack
  667. jonasw yeah, and you love the difficulites arising from PMs and such due to that :)
  668. jonasw the MSN things
  669. Zash Querying your contacts MAM for your own messages there could be ... a thing.
  670. Ge0rG Hm. Why doesn't my yaxim synchronize any more.
  671. Zash But you know, that's in "Skype behaviour I hate" land. Don't do it!
  672. Maranda Does it crash during startup?
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  674. Ge0rG Maranda: no, it fails to join IRC channels.
  675. Maranda 😎
  676. Zash Gotta crash a few times while querying your contacts online clients for history.
  677. Zash And get the history in random order.
  678. Maranda \o/
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  681. Kev > But at least the server should know when s2s errors happen Nope, not really.
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  686. Ge0rG Kev: *better than the client
  687. Maranda does a 🤔 at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-8.3.3.4 and another 🤔 at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-8.3.3.11
  688. Kev From the school of 'that's not saying much' :)
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  691. Maranda I'm not sure I should use either when rejecting a db:request from a blacklisted entity, I suppose not-allowed would be more appropriate.
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  693. Maranda guesses he should map all the rfc conditions rather than just those suggested in the xep.
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  823. Maranda Dave Cridland, well bidi on dave.cridland.net doesn't look broken to me at a first glance at least fwiw
  824. Maranda (and/or dwd XD)
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  855. Dave Cridland Maranda, It's not always broken. There's some sequence which causes it to choke.
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  858. Maranda Dave Cridland, I think I can make an educated guess some of those involve DB 🤣
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  860. Dave Cridland Maranda, To some extent. But I think it's more that it sometimes removes the session that's just gone bidi by accident. I thought I'd stopped it, but I think there's still some odd cases.
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  876. Maranda and there I knew something was amiss, *hates being right*
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  891. Maranda Dave Cridland, Does Metre do some sort of "caching" magic if I previously authenticated a stream via SASL external and I close the stream and reopen a new one and use dialback instead that time?
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  894. Maranda is playing to try and trigger verification of keys with bidi but that doesn't seem to happen.
  895. Dave Cridland Maranda, Not sure I know what you mean. It doesn't change behaviour dependent on previous sessions (yet).
  896. Dave Cridland Maranda, But it'll respond to dialback based on whether it can authenticate the session. Not whether it can authenticate it via dialback.
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  898. Maranda Dave Cridland, I don't see it verifying dialback keys that's what I mean.
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  900. Dave Cridland Maranda, Right, but if the remote session has a valid certificate, there's no need.
  901. Dave Cridland Maranda, See XEP-0344.
  902. Maranda hmm ok noted
  903. Maranda since there's scarce bidi deployment out there I wanted to check if Metronome actually opened a new stream to verify keys (which I somehow doubt it doing on outgoing streams for some reason) :)
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