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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[00:03:47] <Maranda> nice and so I managed to send the error on the wrong stream...
[00:04:55] <Maranda> luckily it's fixed, all the blame goes on the flow scheme in {xep 220} that always confused me to hell.
[00:04:57] <Bunneh> Maranda: Server Dialback (Standards Track, Draft, 2015-03-12)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0220.html
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[06:25:38] <SaltyBones> Saw this on hn last night and had never heard of it: https://tox.chat/
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[06:47:59] <Ge0rG> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16750265 that comment made me really sad. And it doesn't even look like sarcasm...
[06:48:30] <jonasw> ow
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[06:49:59] <edhelas> > Prosody is very simple to set up, ejabberd can scale to infinity.
[06:50:03] <edhelas> … and beyond
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[06:51:46] <Ge0rG> Faster than the speed of light!
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[06:54:23] <jonasw> objection!
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[06:56:17] <edhelas> erlang makes your CPU runs faster
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[07:29:19] <Maranda> That doesn't compute
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[07:29:38] <Maranda> And I broke bidi ™️
[07:29:40] <jonasw> maybe you need a better compute-r
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[07:30:09] <Maranda> How I don't have a clue (yet) ™️
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[07:32:07] <Maranda> Aka never try to untagle messy code at 2:30 am.
[07:32:36] <Maranda> s/untagle/untangle/
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[07:37:13] <Maranda> And found it
[07:37:26] <dwd> Maranda, I've got a broken bidi in Metre as well. It's deceptively tricky to get right.
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[07:41:29] <Maranda> dwd: it's not bidi being broke, I broke mod_s2s which broke everything not just bidi, just because "mark connected" expects an event to return "true" and that is not there anymore yay \o/
[07:41:52] <dwd> Oh, fun.
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[07:43:36] <Maranda> Let's hope no s2s stream closes before I'm home again.
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[07:45:23] <Maranda> s/mark connected/make authenticated/
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[07:50:25] <Maranda> dwd, good news is that I think I _finally_ managed to fix and untangle (most of) that mess that is s2s/dialback code.
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[07:51:15] <Maranda> (Dialback expecially)
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[07:52:57] <dwd> Metre is basically all S2S code, so I can appreciate that.
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[09:27:27] <Zash> dwd: Have you tried Metre with Prosody ?
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[13:16:49] <Maranda> And there we go...
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[15:22:51] <Ge0rG> The more I think about the account-MUC-bouncer and some kind of extended notification mechanism, the more I like it.
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[15:25:00] <Maranda> :O
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[15:51:48] <jonasw> have you figured out a proper way of dealing with MUC service reboots and s2s errors yet?
[15:52:33] <Ge0rG> jonasw: there is none. But at least the server should know when s2s errors happen
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[15:54:48] <jonasw> Ge0rG, syncing from one MAM to the other could work.
[15:55:03] <Ge0rG> MAM-to-MAM transfer!
[15:55:03] <jonasw> it doesn’t solve the JID hack tohugh
[15:55:12] <jonasw> DMA, direct MAM access.
[15:55:15] <Ge0rG> which JID hack?
[15:55:21] <jonasw> the JID hack which is called MUC
[15:55:34] <Ge0rG> Hm. Maybe.
[15:55:34] <jonasw> you know, where resources of a JID represent entirely different identities
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[15:55:45] <Ge0rG> I've learned to live with that hack
[15:56:04] <jonasw> yeah, and you love the difficulites arising from PMs and such due to that :)
[15:56:11] <jonasw> the MSN things
[15:56:19] <Zash> Querying your contacts MAM for your own messages there could be ... a thing.
[15:56:35] <Ge0rG> Hm. Why doesn't my yaxim synchronize any more.
[15:56:42] <Zash> But you know, that's in "Skype behaviour I hate" land. Don't do it!
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[15:57:52] <Maranda> Does it crash during startup?
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[15:58:25] <Ge0rG> Maranda: no, it fails to join IRC channels.
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[15:58:39] <Maranda> 😎
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[16:00:34] <Zash> Gotta crash a few times while querying your contacts online clients for history.
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[16:00:43] <Zash> And get the history in random order.
[16:00:50] <Maranda> \o/
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[16:02:49] <Kev> > But at least the server should know when s2s errors happen

Nope, not really.
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[16:08:06] <Ge0rG> Kev: *better than the client
[16:08:41] *Maranda does a 🤔 at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-8.3.3.4 and another 🤔 at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-8.3.3.11
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[16:08:43] <Kev> From the school of 'that's not saying much' :)
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[16:12:40] <Maranda> I'm not sure I should use either when rejecting a db:request from a blacklisted entity, I suppose not-allowed would be more appropriate.
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[16:13:29] *Maranda guesses he should map all the rfc conditions rather than just those suggested in the xep.
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[19:29:17] <Maranda> Dave Cridland, well bidi on dave.cridland.net doesn't look broken to me at a first glance at least fwiw
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[19:31:03] <Maranda> (and/or dwd XD)
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[20:05:43] <Dave Cridland> Maranda, It's not always broken. There's some sequence which causes it to choke.
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[20:08:02] <Maranda> Dave Cridland, I think I can make an educated guess some of those involve DB 🤣
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[20:09:15] <Dave Cridland> Maranda, To some extent. But I think it's more that it sometimes removes the session that's just gone bidi by accident. I thought I'd stopped it, but I think there's still some odd cases.
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[20:28:31] <Maranda> and there I knew something was amiss, *hates being right*
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[20:39:19] <Maranda> Dave Cridland, Does Metre do some sort of "caching" magic if I previously authenticated a stream via SASL external and I close the stream and reopen a new one and use dialback instead that time?
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[20:41:19] *Maranda is playing to try and trigger verification of keys with bidi but that doesn't seem to happen.
[20:41:36] <Dave Cridland> Maranda, Not sure I know what you mean. It doesn't change behaviour dependent on previous sessions (yet).
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[20:42:17] <Dave Cridland> Maranda, But it'll respond to dialback based on whether it can authenticate the session. Not whether it can authenticate it via dialback.
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[20:42:24] <Maranda> Dave Cridland, I don't see it verifying dialback keys that's what I mean.
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[20:42:57] <Dave Cridland> Maranda, Right, but if the remote session has a valid certificate, there's no need.
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[20:43:19] <Dave Cridland> Maranda, See XEP-0344.
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[20:43:39] <Maranda> hmm ok noted
[20:44:40] <Maranda> since there's scarce bidi deployment out there I wanted to check if Metronome actually opened a new stream to verify keys (which I somehow doubt it doing on outgoing streams for some reason) :)
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