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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:13:33] <MattJ> edhelas, https://edhelas.movim.eu/ certificate expired
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[08:02:38] <edhelas> just had to restart nginx …
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[08:16:34] <pep.> reload*
[08:16:53] <pep.> Don't restart for nothing
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[08:31:56] <edhelas> yeah that is what I didn't understood
[08:32:00] <edhelas> reload didn't worked
[08:32:04] <edhelas> I have to check
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[10:28:54] <winfried> GDPR meeting?
[10:29:24] <pep.> Give me a minute!
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[10:29:48] <winfried> only one?
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[10:34:43] <Dave Cridland> Do the minutes from the GDPR meetings conform to the GDPR?
[10:34:47] <pep.> !
[10:35:17] <pep.> Dave Cridland, I only report public discussions, so I assume so
[10:36:12] <pep.> Maybe mailman could put a few more disclaimers when subscribing though
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[10:36:31] <winfried> Dave Cridland: of course not, the biggest leaks are at the plumbers house!
[10:36:32] <jonasw> I’m there, just a sec
[10:37:46] <jonasw> .
[10:37:56] <jonasw> now I’m there
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[10:38:39] <winfried> Ge0rG present?
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[10:39:36] *winfried is not waiting for GeOrG and banging the gafel
[10:39:53] <jonasw> \o/
[10:40:25] <pep.> okay
[10:40:36] <winfried> We did a splendid job on metadata last time, most of it is 1 to 1 applicable to [stanza|user provided] content too
[10:40:46] <pep.> yep
[10:41:22] <winfried> The only thing that needs a bit of consideration IMHO is MAM
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[10:42:28] <jonasw> why?
[10:42:41] <pep.> I thought we already settled on that
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[10:42:53] <pep.> Apart from the TODO items
[10:43:02] <winfried> all processing is done under article 6.1b / 49.1b except for MAM, when using your own archive, it is 6.1a (consent) and the storage at somebody else should be a case of 6.1f (legitimate interest of third party)
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[10:44:45] <winfried> are you still there?
[10:45:03] <pep.> I agree for 6.1a for own archives, and I see the logic for 6.1f, but that goes against what we said no?
[10:45:16] <jonasw> I’m still there
[10:45:26] <pep.> That messages sent to a recipient are this under this recipient's consent
[10:45:31] <jonasw> I don’t see why other peoples archive isn’t covered by "messages sent to other users are subject to policies those users agreed to"
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[10:46:09] <winfried> jonasw: good point
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[10:47:00] <pep.> winfried, I fear it's not only MAM we'd have to treat differently if we went that way
[10:47:16] <winfried> that is indeed a result of consciously transfering the data to the other entity
[10:47:55] <winfried> so, indeed skip the 6.1f part (and from the table, plz put it in the minutes)
[10:48:23] <pep.> ok
[10:48:57] <winfried> So, left is: ensure 6.1a is taken care of in MAM, aka, consent and of by default...
[10:49:20] <winfried> ... and possibility to withdraw consent
[10:49:21] <pep.> Right
[10:49:37] <winfried> and that one was already on the technical ToDO ;-)
[10:49:43] <pep.> "Right to erasure" is already more or less implemented right?
[10:49:58] <jonasw> pep., depends
[10:50:02] <pep.> Maybe I'm skipping steps
[10:50:04] <jonasw> there’s no way to truncate MAM via protocol currently.
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[10:50:25] <jonasw> Holger argued that it’s requested so rarely that it isn’t needed to encode in protocol and manual handling is entirely feasible
[10:50:28] <pep.> jonasw, hmm, ok, I was thinking about the entire account
[10:50:35] <jonasw> pep., that’s truncation
[10:50:45] <jonasw> or do you mean non-MAM content, too?
[10:50:53] <pep.> everything
[10:50:59] <jonasw> right
[10:51:02] <jonasw> we don’t have that
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[10:51:17] <jonasw> but that’s probably okay-ish to defer to manual operator intervention at this stage.
[10:51:21] <pep.> When you request account deletion, what's being deleted?
[10:51:22] <Holger> jonasw: Actually I just mentioned it's requested rarely without argueing for anything :-)
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[10:51:39] <Holger> jonasw: I wouldn't mind such a feature at all, esp. if we manage to keep it simple.
[10:51:39] <jonasw> Holger, sorry, lost in translation :(
[10:51:43] <pep.> I don't think prosody keeps anything does it?
[10:51:51] <winfried> Truncating an entire account and truncating your MAM should be possible separate form each other
[10:51:58] <jonasw> winfried, agreed
[10:52:01] <pep.> winfried, sure
[10:52:16] <jonasw> pep., I’m rather sure that prosody won’t delete HTTP upload-ed files
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[10:52:42] <jonasw> Holger, my idea was something like a disco#info feature + <iq><mam-truncate/></iq>, which simply drops all of your MAM archive.
[10:52:45] <winfried> jonasw: good point
[10:53:02] <jonasw> I suggest that we put together a list of user data which is currently commonly held as a guideline for operators
[10:53:30] <jonasw> - HTTP Uploaded files
- MAM contents
- Offline messages (if separate from MAM)
- Roster
- XML Private Storage
- PEP
[10:53:34] <winfried> jonasw: yes, can also be an important part for an EULA
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[10:53:50] <Holger> jonasw: Sounds good to me. But people *will* want more features for sure, so maybe we should clarify right from the start whether or not we'll resist adding them.
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[10:54:01] <jonasw> - HTTP Uploaded files
- MAM contents
- Offline messages (if separate from MAM)
- Roster
- XML Private Storage
- PEP
- Ephemerally cached stuff (last presence stanza)
[10:54:07] <Holger> jonasw: Because if we end up with more features anyway, we might want different syntax from the start.
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[10:54:24] <jonasw> Holger, sure, this isn’t the place for that though :)
[10:54:33] <Ge0rG> Sorry I'm late, had an unexpected appointment
[10:54:40] <winfried> Ge0rG: welcome
[10:54:53] <Ge0rG> Good progress you've made today
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[10:55:37] <Ge0rG> There are some other prosody todos like actually deleting MAM after N days even if the user didn't log in
[10:55:58] <winfried> jonasw Holger, the list should be writen as baseline, but if a server operator wishes to do other processings, it should be added to the list (and have its own legal stuff)
[10:56:10] <Ge0rG> And probably also deleting the files from their http upload, both after N days and on account deletion
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[10:56:33] <Ge0rG> mod_gdpr_timer anyone?
[10:56:38] <winfried> Lets not focus on one implementation and its bug list ;-)
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[10:56:42] <pep.> People doing http-upload usually keep track of who uploads what?
[10:56:47] <pep.> Is this a thing?
[10:57:06] <jonasw> pep., no, it’s not :)
[10:57:09] <jonasw> and that’s probably the problem :)
[10:57:09] <pep.> hehe
[10:57:54] <winfried> yeah, that one is needed for deleting it....
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[10:58:21] <pep.> Another TODO
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[10:58:27] <jonasw> is there a specified maximum time an operator can take for deleting data after receiving the request?
[10:58:27] <winfried> yes
[10:58:53] <pep.> jonasw, for the "what data do you have on me request" I think it's a month,
[10:59:00] <pep.> I'm not sure about deletion
[10:59:12] *winfried is reading the bible again
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[10:59:41] <jonasw> if it’s like 7 days, operators could just go with the natural http upload expiry they might have
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[10:59:52] <Ge0rG> pep.: you can extend the time by sending back a whiny response how hard is it to gather all the data ;)
[10:59:58] <pep.> jonasw, you mean "natural expiry" of "none"?
[10:59:59] <pep.> :)
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[11:00:17] <Ge0rG> jonasw: what happens with the things the user uploads things while their request is pending?
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[11:00:21] <pep.> Ge0rG, but then you'd have to explain that to the ICO? :P
[11:00:23] <Ge0rG> jonasw: what happens with the things the user uploads while their request is pending?
[11:00:40] <winfried> my bible says: "deletion without unreasonable delay", at least within a month :-D
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[11:01:17] <jonasw> is "uh, we don’t track who owns which file so we have to rely on normal expiry" a reasonable delay? :)
[11:01:27] <pep.> :P
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[11:01:35] <winfried> jonasw: LOL! I guess not
[11:01:40] <pep.> In doubt, ask for consent!
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[11:02:09] <Ge0rG> jonasw: just replace all http uploaded files with a goatse overlayed with "no consent"
[11:02:16] <jonasw> *all*?
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[11:02:19] <jonasw> even those of other users?
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[11:02:46] <Ge0rG> yeah, you can't know for sure
[11:02:56] <winfried> todo: write a XEP that asks all other users on consent when one user requests deletion of HTTP-upload content :-D
[11:03:30] <Ge0rG> winfried: sounds like the blockchain approach
[11:03:33] <pep.> What was that potential XEP again? http-uplod slot that wouldn't expire
[11:03:39] <pep.> For avatars and whatnots
[11:03:44] <winfried> But HTTP-upload deletion needs to be covered too, unfortunately
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[11:04:56] <winfried> jonasw: to return to the question if expiry will be enough here: only if it expires *fast*
[11:05:04] <jonasw> what’s "fast"?
[11:05:11] <jonasw> 1h? 1d? 7d? 30d?
[11:05:17] <winfried> jonasw: I would say 7d
[11:05:41] <jonasw> ok
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[11:06:07] <winfried> But from a legal point of view, real deletion would be better (and more flexible)
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[11:06:21] <pep.> yes
[11:06:40] <winfried> So do we want to add deletion to HTTP-file upload?
[11:07:03] <pep.> Also prevent trolls from uploading stuff when they've requested deletion
[11:08:08] <jonasw> winfried, I’m not sure if it should be added to the protocol.
[11:08:10] <pep.> winfried, where does it say "deletion without unreasonable delay" exactly?
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[11:08:34] <pep.> Do we want an EULA XEP + informational GDPR XEP?
[11:08:34] <winfried> art 17.1
[11:08:47] <pep.> Or do we want to change others
[11:08:57] <jonasw> and if so, it needs to be thought out because the HTTP server and the XMPP server may not be the same entity. but it should be mentioned in the HTTP Upload XEP that implementations must allow the operator to delete all files of an individual user as well as individual files.
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[11:09:22] <jonasw> pep., it’s safer to include such information in the relevant XEPs than having a another XEP which people must play attention to.
[11:09:22] <pep.> jonasw, hah, good point
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[11:09:31] <pep.> (for both)
[11:09:32] <jonasw> maybe add a "Privacy Considerations" section.
[11:09:38] <pep.> Right
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[11:09:46] <pep.> Maybe that could be added into the template now
[11:09:54] <winfried> pep.: +1
[11:09:58] <jonasw> I think historically we had this in the Security Considerations
[11:10:10] <jonasw> but this is a separate thing IMO
[11:10:15] <winfried> jonasw: +1
[11:10:16] <pep.> Even if both are entangled, they're not exactly the same :x
[11:10:55] <jonasw> should that section be REQUIRED or RECOMMENDED?
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[11:11:07] <jonasw> I think having it REQUIRED is sane.
[11:11:45] <winfried> jonasw: yes, and maybe add some items to the template that help structuring and analyzing it
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[11:11:53] <jonasw> winfried, would be glad to do that if I get input on that
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[11:12:07] <pep.> I would say RECOMMENDED, but I could see both
[11:12:07] <winfried> jonasw: I can help there
[11:12:25] <pep.> jonasw, oh, that's for the template, so XEP authors?
[11:12:28] <jonasw> pep., I think REQUIRED makes sense. Even if the section is just "no user data is collected, thus there are no considerations".
[11:12:29] <pep.> Then REQUIRED
[11:12:30] <jonasw> pep., yes.
[11:13:15] <winfried> jonasw: can we return to the HTTP upload for a moment? We should not change that XEP?
[11:13:28] <jonasw> winfried, I’m pretty sure we should change it
[11:13:34] <pep.> change what
[11:13:37] <pep.> exactly
[11:13:38] <jonasw> at least it should get a note that operators MUST have a way to delete all files of a user.
[11:13:50] <pep.> Can we not just update it
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[11:14:04] <jonasw> winfried, extending it with a flow which allows a user to IQ-request a URL where they can issue an HTTP DELETE to delete a file is another step I can see happening.
[11:14:17] <jonasw> pep., I’m not sure I understand
[11:14:24] <pep.> ok I'm just confused, nvm
[11:14:40] <pep.> jonasw, yes we'd need both I think
[11:14:41] <winfried> jonasw: should we open this discussion in the standards list?
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[11:14:46] <pep.> winfried, yes
[11:14:48] <jonasw> winfried, seems ok
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[11:14:50] <jonasw> I’ll write the mail right now.
[11:14:57] <pep.> We'll need to open a few threads anyway :P
[11:14:59] <winfried> jonasw: thanks!
[11:15:00] <pep.> See TODOs
[11:15:27] <pep.> jonasw, PR then thread maybe?
[11:15:39] <pep.> Unless it's not exactly clear yet
[11:15:49] <jonasw> damn, I’m getting pulled away
[11:15:50] <jonasw> will do
[11:15:54] <pep.> cool
[11:16:05] <winfried> cool +1 ;-)
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[11:16:23] <pep.> I brought right to erasure to the table, but is it ok? What else is there to do on 1.1e
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[11:16:36] <winfried> pep.: it is totally ok
[11:16:46] <pep.> We haven't done server logs? remote components?
[11:16:54] <winfried> correct
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[11:17:16] <winfried> but server logs is clear cut: recommendation for server operators
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[11:17:57] <winfried> remote components is covered by 6.1b and no need for extra measures (in line with the earlier decisions)
[11:18:24] <pep.> winfried, "recommendation for server operators", what do you mea
[11:18:26] <pep.> mean
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[11:19:01] <winfried> pep.: we should mention to server operators what they should and should not do with the logs to stay within the GDPR
[11:19:23] <pep.> Ok, subject for next time then?
[11:19:46] <pep.> We should probably start opening threads for the TODOs and Technical TODOs
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[11:19:57] <pep.> so we can see results quick
[11:20:03] <winfried> yes
[11:20:55] <winfried> But I believe we have covered 1 by now!
[11:21:36] <pep.> I want a bit more details for server logs, for the minutes/wiki, but yeah
[11:21:46] <pep.> Lots of things to act on now
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[11:22:04] <pep.> See we can see for the XSF.
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[11:22:36] <pep.> I guess it'll benefit from all we do for the other operators anyway. And then the wiki, maybe we just need to state during registration that it's all public?
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[11:23:16] <pep.> as PII, only keep email addresses are stored?
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[11:23:40] <winfried> pep.: Ge0rG mentioned this one http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/r49.htm
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[11:24:03] <pep.> winfried, yeah but I thought maybe we can dillute that a bit in guidelines
[11:24:27] <winfried> pep.: yes, agreed
[11:25:15] <pep.> Date of next maybe?
[11:25:21] <winfried> Looking at the time: ...
[11:25:49] <winfried> we need to check if 1 covers 2 fully
[11:26:07] <winfried> and then start all over again for 3 :-D
[11:26:12] <pep.> no as it's not only XMPP, for 2
[11:26:23] <pep.> wiki, mailing lists
[11:26:30] <pep.> Ah wait
[11:26:35] <pep.> That's 3
[11:26:39] <winfried> ;-)
[11:27:11] <winfried> And we need to polish the list of tasks and put names under it...
[11:27:18] <pep.> Right
[11:27:21] <winfried> and report to the board
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[11:27:51] <winfried> (and council)
[11:28:01] <jonasw> re
[11:28:08] <jonasw> sorry, I had to let an ISP technician in
[11:28:10] <pep.> Date of next? +1 no good for me
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[11:28:28] <pep.> Next week I should be able to do any
[11:28:34] <jonasw> next week has my usual constraints
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[11:28:48] <winfried> apr 30 12:30 CEST?
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[11:29:00] <pep.> worksforme
[11:29:20] <jonasw> should be able to
[11:29:27] <winfried> Ge0rG ^^^
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[11:30:58] <winfried> pep.: I was still in the process op updating the table and processing your previous minutes.. will continue with that
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[11:31:29] <winfried> Guess Ge0rG is afk again...
[11:31:50] <winfried> If write it down, pending objections from Ge0rG
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[11:31:57] <jonasw> yeah
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[11:32:04] <jonasw> thanks all :)
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[11:32:08] <jonasw> we’re doing good progress here
[11:32:25] <winfried> jonasw: yeah, thank you too!
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[11:32:43] <winfried> the pieces are falling together nicely
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[11:35:33] <pep.> I'm running away, will confirm date of next if Ge0rG can't do, it should work for me anyway
[11:35:59] <winfried> yes, plz!
[11:36:19] *winfried forgot to bang the gafel. *BANG*
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[11:38:15] <jonasw> winfried, will you provide me with a list of guiding questions I can put into the Privacy Considerations template sections
[11:38:16] <jonasw> winfried, will you provide me with a list of guiding questions I can put into the Privacy Considerations template section?
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[11:40:08] <winfried> jonasw: the bottom line is we want to know if anything is done that is not covered by 6.1b or 6.1a
[11:41:04] <winfried> lets try to make that one not too bureaucratic
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[11:41:45] <winfried> Does the extension describe any processing that is not obvious to the user?
[11:42:23] <winfried> If so, does the extension mandate consent for it?
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[11:43:02] <winfried> And if so, can the consent be retracted?
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[11:45:09] <Ge0rG> Sorry folks. I *think* I can make 30th 12:30
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[11:45:55] <winfried> and also: are there any additional risks, like profiling, analyzing sensitive data or automated decisions? If so, what measures are taken against that?
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[11:46:23] <winfried> Ge0rG: then you will be with us at least in thought ;-)
[11:46:46] <winfried> Ge0rG: plz drop a not when you know more
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[11:46:53] <winfried> s/not/note/
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[11:47:42] <winfried> jonasw: enough to get started like this?
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[11:48:15] <Ge0rG> winfried: I'll have to decide on short notice. The next week will be rather rough, I'm finally moving to the new house
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[11:48:33] <winfried> Ge0rG: congrats!
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[11:48:59] <winfried> let us know, plz give us feedback in other ways otherwise!
[11:49:28] <Ge0rG> winfried: don't make it depend on me; ping me when you start and I'll try to be here
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[11:50:02] <Zash> Do HTTP uploads count as message content?
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[11:50:44] <winfried> Zash: yes, user provided content to be precise
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[11:51:44] <Zash> I saw mention of "legitimate interest" for the message receiver, I wondered if that covers uploaded content as well
[11:52:31] <Ge0rG> Zash: I think so, yes
[11:52:58] <winfried> Zash: we decided to abandon that line of thought, sending a message / file is just a transfer
[11:54:29] <Zash> The (currently at least) technical difference is that files are still hosted at the sender
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[11:56:23] <winfried> Zash: yes, good point. But from a legal perspective there is no need to give the receiver based on 'legitimate interest' any rights to that. That would just open a legal minefield
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[11:58:05] <Zash> It touches on a recent discussion about possibly re-hosting files at the receivers server, or providing a HTTP proxy, to provide some privacy protection to the receiver
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[12:02:54] <winfried> Zash: the issue is the 'right to be forgotten': transferring data to a proxy or re-hosting it at the receivers server doesn't change that right, neither does the legitimate interest argument
[12:05:41] <MattJ> So if it wasn't hosted at the receiver's server, but the receiver downloaded it and kept it on their PC...?
[12:06:50] <Zash> I'm not sure what 'right to be forgotten' means exactly. I assume you can't ask service provider A to forget something and have provider B also forget about it.
[12:07:00] <winfried> MattJ: then it is transferred to the intended user, demanding deletion depends on the use of it by the receiver, personal use is not regulated, other use is subject to right to be forgotten
[12:07:29] <winfried> Zash: no, you have to ask both
[12:07:55] <Zash> winfried: Sounds like fun if you'd dropped something into a large groupchat :D
[12:08:17] <winfried> That is my job, and I love my work :-P
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[12:37:44] <Ge0rG> https://twitter.com/leinweber/status/989267343002951680
[12:37:47] <Ge0rG> We need that too!
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[13:25:17] <nyco> test
[13:25:34] <nyco> Test
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[13:25:50] <Guus> (it works)
[13:25:51] *nyco is ready for the board meeting! 😉
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[13:27:34] <Guus> congrats on the new job, Nyco!
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[13:27:54] <Guus> congrats on the new lap around the sun, Dave
[13:28:01] <Guus> I'm all out of congrats now.
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[13:29:55] <Kev> I feel I deserve a congrats just for getting out of bed in the morning, frankly.
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[13:30:48] <Guus> Kev, you did not get my card?
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[13:31:01] <Kev> Lost in the post, I fear.
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[13:31:14] <ralphm> 0. Welcome and Agenda
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[13:31:22] <Guus> Bastards. It was not easy to find an appropriate one. Hallmark apparently does not have a card for every occasion after all...
[13:31:26] <ralphm> Hi! Who do we have, and do you have something for the agenda?
[13:31:51] <Guus> I'm here, nothing new for the agenda.
[13:32:00] <ralphm> Also congrats to all around.
[13:32:03] <nyco> well, we can revive cafepress? take a decision?
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[13:32:18] <MattJ> Hey
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[13:32:54] <ralphm> nyco: that's already on the agenda
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[13:33:56] <ralphm> Anyway, Martin sent apologies.
[13:34:04] <ralphm> 1. Minute taker
[13:34:06] <ralphm> Who?
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[13:34:46] <MattJ> I'll do them
[13:34:46] <Guus> (I'm again pressed for time, sorry)
[13:34:49] <Guus> tx
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[13:35:43] <ralphm> 2. Topics for Decisions
[13:35:59] <ralphm> I'll pull the Swag one here.
[13:36:06] <ralphm> nyco
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[13:36:58] <nyco> so what's our decision
I'd go for a try, let's say a few months, see how much time we spend, how much money we get, how good/bad press we have
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[13:38:31] <MattJ> I'm good with that
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[13:38:52] <Guus> what does that look like?
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[13:38:54] <ralphm> Who'd "manage" the "shop", including providing designs?
[13:39:08] <ralphm> I have never done something like this
[13:39:17] <nyco> I can lead, or someone does in which case I can help
[13:39:41] <nyco> the designs would only be the logo for the beginning
[13:39:48] <ralphm> And what is the Royalties thing?
[13:40:06] <nyco> I sent an email around that, could you read it?
[13:40:23] <Guus> I think we have an option to either pay upfront, or have a percentage deduced from our earnings (but not have upfront costs).
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[13:40:47] <Guus> I'd prefer the latter for now, while we're experimenting. If only because it reduces the complexity of setting things up, I imagine.
[13:41:04] <ralphm> nyco: I did, and I didn't understand
[13:41:10] <Dave Cridland> I have various chunks of artwork around in EPS/SVG if anyone needs them.
[13:41:21] <nyco> sure
[13:41:21] <ralphm> (cause if I didn't read it, how would I know about Royalties?)
[13:41:29] <nyco> right ;-)
[13:41:31] <ralphm> Dave Cridland: same here
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[13:41:57] <MattJ> ]
[13:42:00] <nyco> I think until a certain threshold, it is a % fee
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[13:42:22] <ralphm> Dave Cridland: like the little design I did for a potential Summit shirt. I also have the correct fonts
[13:42:34] <nyco> the markup is big, as always (like AppStores at 30%)
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[13:43:11] <MattJ> nyco, oh, I thought from the email it was 10%?
[13:43:48] <Guus> Note that it is 10% of the _royalties_, which is _not_ equal to the sales volume.
[13:44:03] <ralphm> So like a t-shirt (tri-blend) seems to sell for $29.99. How much would we gain from this?
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[13:44:21] <Guus> I don't know what amount of royalties we get for a sale.
[13:44:22] <ralphm> Guus: right, that's why I want to know what Royalties means
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[13:44:45] <nyco> all right, so I thought I understood, which does not seem true anymore
[13:45:30] <Guus> From what I understood from that site (I browsed a little)
[13:45:35] <Guus> they have a base price for items
[13:45:45] <nyco> I understand we need to know+understand more about royalties before taking a decision, is that correct?
[13:45:48] <Guus> you can add your own markup
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[13:46:08] <Guus> that's what you receive as 'royalties', and from which their fee is deduced.
[13:46:14] <ralphm> It seems that this is more informative: https://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/shop_services.aspx
[13:46:18] <Guus> https://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/index.aspx?area=intro_money&page=intro_money
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[13:47:12] <ralphm> So, for this meeting, I think we need to agree at least if we'd like to do something like this, and then evaluate which actual shop we'd like to use.
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[13:47:24] <Dave Cridland> https://www.cafepress.com/p/help-creating-selling-earning-money and https://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/pricing_policy.aspx seem to explain it.
[13:47:47] <Guus> Ralph, to be honest, as long as we're not spending money, I don't mind to much.
[13:47:48] <ralphm> E.g. I'm wary of this part:
“n order to keep designs fresh and of high quality as we launch new products, styles, and printing technologies, solely for designs that you are selling through the CafePress Marketplace: (i) CafePress may automatically add your designs to additional products in the CafePress Marketplace; and (ii) in order to improve the printing quality, CafePress may automatically modify your designs (e.g., cleaning up JPG artifacting, adjusting colors for different printers and products, and adjusting design placement on products).”
[13:48:00] <nyco> that's correct, not only cafepress offers those kind of services
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[13:48:35] <Guus> Ralphm: I see no problem with that text you just quoted.
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[13:49:01] <nyco> "CafePress may automatically add your designs to additional products in the CafePress Marketplace", what does this mean?
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[13:49:25] <Guus> "if we sell new types of swag, we might automatically add these with your branding on it."
[13:49:28] <Kev> When they add a new product (now they sell garden fences), they can add your logo to garden fences and sell XSF garden fences.
[13:49:30] <Dave Cridland> nyco, You make a t-shirt, they do a mug.
[13:49:31] <MattJ> I'm guessing (but don't know) that it means you opt to sell a t-shirt, but they also offer a mug
[13:49:37] <nyco> I'll have to jump on another meeting at 16:00
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[13:50:28] <ralphm> So let's separate this: do we want to sell swag in a shop "like cafepress"?
[13:50:35] <nyco> yes
[13:50:36] <ralphm> I'm +1.
[13:50:43] <Guus> +1
[13:50:53] <MattJ> +1
[13:50:58] <Kev> Sounds at worst harmless to me, from the peanut gallery, too.
[13:51:06] <ralphm> Ok, decided we'd like to do this.
[13:51:24] <nyco> so I'll find alternatives to caferpress
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[13:52:05] <ralphm> Then the second part is which shop. I read something about Cafepress "mailing checks". We don't have checks anymore in .nl, so I don't know how this works, but given that we are incorporated, I suppose that could still work?
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[13:52:55] <Guus> I think we should OK whatever choice we make with our Treasurer.
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[13:53:58] <Guus> to verify that we can facilitate the way money exchanges, I mean.
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[13:54:38] <ralphm> Ok, nyco to find out. Let me know when I can help with designs
[13:55:01] <nyco> now...
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[13:55:08] <ralphm> :-D
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[13:55:10] <ralphm> 3.
[13:55:12] <nyco> send me what you got?
[13:55:14] <ralphm> 3. AOB
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[13:55:28] <Guus> (no AOBs from me)
[13:55:29] <ralphm> We've got 4 minutes. Anything we need to do now?
[13:55:50] <MattJ> Survey
[13:55:55] <nyco> the next newsletter is getting readier everyday
[13:55:55] <MattJ> A couple of brief questions:
[13:56:06] <ralphm> nyco: yay
[13:56:15] <MattJ> we need to agree on the scope - should it be members-only, or open?
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[13:56:32] <nyco> currently, as it is today, the members
[13:56:48] <Guus> I have no strong preference there.
[13:56:49] <ralphm> Oh, I can report we gained github.com/xmpp. I've given control to intosi and Kev, and we can figure out what to do with this
[13:57:06] <ralphm> MattJ: let's go with members for now
[13:57:14] <MattJ> Ok
[13:57:22] <nyco> if we want to go broader, then we should grow our ambitions, make it wider, obey all the surveying rules, promote it in a proper way, have time to interpret and analyse the results, report to the board and members
[13:57:55] <nyco> I'd like we do such a survey soon
[13:58:14] <MattJ> Feel free to draft and prepare such :)
[13:58:25] <Guus> Did you have more questions, MattJ?
[13:58:29] <nyco> exactly
[13:58:37] <MattJ> Guus, I think that's it for now
[13:58:46] <MattJ> Should I just send it this week?
[13:58:49] <MattJ> to members@
[13:58:49] <ralphm> Yes
[13:58:52] <Guus> go for it.
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[13:58:55] <MattJ> Ok!
[13:58:56] <nyco> yes, please, and thanks for this
[13:58:58] <ralphm> Thanks!
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[13:59:02] <ralphm> 4. Date of Next
[13:59:03] <MattJ> Then that's all
[13:59:04] <ralphm> +1W
[13:59:07] <MattJ> wfm
[13:59:07] <Guus> wfm
[13:59:07] <nyco> yep
[13:59:10] <nyco> thx all!
[13:59:12] <ralphm> 5. Close
[13:59:13] <MattJ> Thanks
[13:59:13] <ralphm> Thanks!
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[13:59:21] <ralphm> And more congrats were due.
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[13:59:31] <Guus> congrats!
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[14:17:25] <Ge0rG> Now I want to have an "XSF" shaped garden fence
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[14:18:47] <Guus> I trust that you will appropriately motivate CafePress.com to add that to their collection.
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[14:20:02] <Ge0rG> Ah, the times when laser-cut XMPP stickers were the cool stuff.
[14:20:17] <Guus> ... showing your age ...
[14:20:19] <Ge0rG> Who needs laser-cut stickers if you can 3D printed garden fences.
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[14:20:43] <Ge0rG> I think we should do A/B testing of our brand by offering "Jabber" everything that we also offer "XMPP" of
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[14:21:06] <Guus> I don't know if we can use the Jabber trademark for swag.
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[14:21:13] <Ge0rG> I wonder if the XSF needs a permission from the XSF to use the trademar. Peter will love the idea.
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[14:24:25] <Ge0rG> > Otherwise, the fee is $250.00 for use of the mark in connection with Jabber accessories or any use other than software or computer hardware
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[14:25:34] <Ge0rG> I can't even find a mention of the 250$ fee in the license agreement.
[14:26:25] <Ge0rG> But I should stop now. I think everybody still remembers my contempt for the license situation from the last time I tried to fix it.
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[14:27:06] <jonasw> where’s the license agreement?
[14:27:18] <jonasw> I thought we only had that declaration of intent
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[14:28:44] <Ge0rG> jonasw: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/trademark-license-agreement.html
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[14:41:54] <Ge0rG> > The <tt>url</tt> attribute of the <tt>delete-slot</tt> element must refer to the GET URL for the file. The server replies with a URL which can be used by the client to delete the file
Wait. What?
[14:42:08] <Ge0rG> jonasw: is there a reason why the server shouldn't just immediately delete?
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[14:42:19] <jonasw> Ge0rG, the XMPP server and the HTTP server might be on different machines.
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[14:43:39] <jonasw> I can also imagine that we leave it up to the server whether the client has to DELETE or whether it deletes right away (indicated by lack of the <delete/> child). but I’m not sure there are use-cases for that.
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[14:44:19] <jonasw> (it might be that it’s required to do that in some circumstances though, where DELETE can’t be authorized properly with a token; not sure if such scenarios exist)
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[14:45:00] <Ge0rG> I can see how off-loading PUT makes sense, but what's wrong with having the XMPP server do whatever HTTP request?
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[14:45:23] <jonasw> I can see why XMPP servers might not want to have an HTTP client.
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[14:50:31] <Zash> jonasw: Can you have anything without a HTTP client these days? :/
[14:50:42] <jonasw> Zash, :(
[14:50:53] <Ge0rG> Does sed have an HTTP client?
[14:50:59] <Ge0rG> Or bash?
[14:51:05] <Ge0rG> jonasw: did you submit the bot to HN already?
[14:51:07] <jonasw> bash, it would be trivial to do one (sockets)
[14:51:11] <jonasw> sed, not
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[14:51:27] <Ge0rG> I've written a web *server* in bash, some twenty years ago.
[14:51:39] <jonasw> Ge0rG, too lazy to get an account etc.
[14:51:53] <Ge0rG> okay, maybe not quite 20. But it was at a time when dialup was the thing in Germany
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[15:40:34] <ralphm> Somebody wrote an HTTP server in PostScript
[15:41:40] <Ge0rG> It's what's running on HP LaserJets, right?
[15:42:07] <ralphm> Not sure
[15:42:08] <jonasw> haha
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[15:43:50] <ralphm> jonasw: http://www.pugo.org/project/pshttpd/
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[15:44:03] <SamWhited> That's horrifying…
[15:44:39] <jonasw> you are aware of the atrocity I did? https://github.com/horazont/xmpp-echo-bot/
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[15:44:56] <jonasw> (it’s not as harmless as it looks like from the URL…)
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[16:19:17] <Lance> jonasw: I am simultaneously appalled and in awe. wow
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[16:49:29] <moparisthebest> same Lance , nice work jonasw :)
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[18:05:27] <jonasw> thanks :D
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[18:05:31] <jonasw> that was the kind of reaction I was going for, Lance
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[19:03:16] <Ge0rG> Lance: that'd be a great testimony for the README, if you are okay with it
[19:03:28] <Lance> of course :)
[19:04:12] <Ge0rG> I'd do a PR, but I don't know the Canonical Order of Testimonials
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[19:06:04] <jonasw> good point
[19:06:31] <jonasw> Lance, where, if any, should I link to at your name?
[19:06:53] <Ge0rG> That, too.
[19:07:11] <Ge0rG> jonasw didn't ask me that question...
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[19:07:29] <Lance> github.com/legastero works
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[19:09:07] <Ge0rG> https://lance.im/ looks like a prosody 404
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[19:09:16] <Zash> Neat
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[19:09:19] <Lance> as it should
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[19:09:33] <jonasw> Ge0rG, sure, but I knew where I could link, I don’t know for Lance
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[19:10:06] <jonasw> published
[19:10:37] <Maranda> It's behind joo.
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[20:01:56] <moparisthebest> did anyone post this before? ew https://matrix.org/blog/2018/04/26/matrix-and-riot-confirmed-as-the-basis-for-frances-secure-instant-messenger-app/
[20:02:17] <moparisthebest> it's amazing what millions of dollars of investor money can buy
[20:02:40] <jjrh> Geez
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[20:03:11] <UsL> sad..
[20:03:25] <jjrh> I mean I guess good for them.
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[20:04:49] <jjrh> Is the matrix standard even finalized yet?
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[20:11:56] <jjrh> nah guess not - it's r0.3.0 and it's a 'living standard'
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[20:12:56] <Wiktor> interesting comments w.r.t. Matrix as a standard: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16933736
[20:13:05] <Zash> Define interesting
[20:13:43] <Wiktor> Zash: adj. Arousing or holding the attention; absorbing
[20:13:54] <UsL> : D
[20:14:10] <Wiktor> this comment seems to claim the protocol is highly unstable: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16935012
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[20:14:44] <moparisthebest> who cares if the protocol is unstable if 1 company is producing all the servers and clients?
[20:14:46] <Zash> Their spec pages do too
[20:15:09] <Wiktor> moparisthebest: I guess not the French government ;)
[20:15:12] <moparisthebest> also, no way anyone in france's govt even knows what a 'protocol' is
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[20:15:30] <moparisthebest> all they know is they want a fancy chat app
[20:15:41] <Wiktor> *encrypted* fancy chat app
[20:15:47] <Wiktor> encrypted sells nowadays ;)
[20:16:32] <Maranda> They know enough to be willing to put spyware in your router firmware to satisfy music recording firms against piracy.
[20:16:46] <Maranda> 🤨
[20:16:53] <moparisthebest> that sounds horrifying
[20:17:11] <moparisthebest> but I'm guessing they still don't know, only that music industry said it will 'save the music industry'
[20:17:17] <Zash> moparisthebest: Yeah, they'll be in exactly the situation they claim to have avoided once another implementation becomes popular enoguh.
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[20:17:40] <moparisthebest> Zash, well worse if there are no standardized protocols or consensus, but yes
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[20:19:01] <Zash> > Alternatives like Prosody's XMPP server implementation dropped websocket support in favor of BOSH years ago
I don't even.
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[20:19:13] <Maranda> :O
[20:19:23] <Maranda> :O
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[20:19:40] <moparisthebest> where is that from?
[20:20:09] *Maranda wonders what to do next now that Lua Garbage Collector is happy.
[20:20:11] <Zash> Second-to-top comment on that HN thread
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[20:20:18] <Zash> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16933736
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[20:20:41] <Maranda> I should find myself something costructive to do.
[20:21:09] <Maranda> Maybe going to bed falls in that department.
[20:21:15] <Maranda> :P
[20:21:28] <Zash> Agh, all links go to the top post! This one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16935094
[20:21:37] <fippo> zash: lets blame lance for that!
[20:21:50] <jjrh> I mean in theory going with at open protocol with a open client/server is better than paying IBM or whoever a bunch of money for a solution that sucks and can't be improved internally.
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[20:23:25] <jjrh> On the other hand if they went with XMPP they would have multiple vendors who would compete on RFP's
[20:24:05] <Zash> Huh?
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[20:24:21] <Zash> Isn't the point of RFPs to draft them tailored to a specific vendor?
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[20:26:26] <jjrh> er probably used that wrong - I mean when the government wants a new feature or whatever multiple companies are going to be sending in bids.
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