XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-05-01


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  202. Ge0rG xnyhps: Y U h4xed my car? https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/volkswagen-and-audi-cars-vulnerable-to-remote-hacking/
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  216. Maranda Yay perhaps "Watchdogs 2" style
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  223. Ge0rG ain't no consolero
  224. Maranda Your loss
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  226. Ge0rG I'm playing sokoban today. The old house is full of boxes, and the transporter guys will arrive in T-22h
  227. Ge0rG And I still have to put most of the things I own into boxes.
  228. Maranda Hmm on a different topic does yax.im fetches a static public servers list from somewhere? If it does at all
  229. Maranda Sounds fun
  230. Ge0rG Maranda: you mean yaxim, the client, not yax.im the server?
  231. Maranda And s/Yax.im/Yaxim/
  232. Maranda No the client obviously
  233. Ge0rG Maranda: https://github.com/pfleidi/yaxim/blob/master/res/values/servers.xml
  234. Ge0rG That URL doesn't work any more
  235. Ge0rG The original source is lost.
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  238. Maranda Ge0rG I re enabled IBR (I implemented account locking and e-mail verification for it, so it's rather safe) now I need to scour all clients who singled out my server and re-add it 🙄
  239. Maranda PR incoming soon
  240. Maranda Btw
  241. Ge0rG Maranda: yaxim doesn't support entering the email address / data-forms
  242. Ge0rG Maranda: feel free to PR that as well
  243. Maranda Ge0rG damn you! 🤣
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  268. Holger Almost no clients do.
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  279. pep. Which is sad
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  283. Maranda Well Gajim does and that is sorted
  284. Maranda I suppose that saves me sending PRs all around
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  286. Maranda As usual spent time implementing something that will be unused
  287. Maranda thinks "That's XMPP lads ®️"
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  304. Holger Ah I thought not even Gajim supported this last time I checked.
  305. Holger Maranda: Does it support the email field or the form or both?
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  313. Maranda Holger it does support all custom fields
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  315. Maranda s/custom/additional registration/ rather
  316. Maranda If you enable verification it'll make e-mail mandatory
  317. Maranda And I guess "both"
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  320. Holger Sounds good.
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  326. Ge0rG Gajim's user onboarding is so messed up, I don't even want to think about it
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  512. Maranda Ge0rG, I don't find it so messed and it supports dataforms element pretty well
  513. Maranda https://upload.lightwitch.org/share/WMKL7jaY5eHb9786/ibr-forms.png
  514. Ge0rG Maranda: what did you have to enter in the screen before?
  515. Maranda just accounts, new account, and if you don't have any it'll bring you there automagically?
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  517. Ge0rG how did you chose the server?
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  519. Maranda register a new account > list of servers
  520. Maranda how is that messed?
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  538. SamWhited This is a vaguely interesting thread if you want to see how people that aren't in this room think about instant messaging: https://twitter.com/actuallyalice/status/990889721525161986
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  574. Maranda we need 90s messaging back, where you'd have msn, yahoo, jabber, ICQ all running from 1 app
  575. Maranda huhu
  576. moparisthebest Maranda, can't you do that using pidgin right now?
  577. Maranda moparisthebest, sorry I'm quoting one of the tweets
  578. Maranda I should have actually quoted it
  579. moparisthebest oops, I should read previous posts sometimes :)
  580. Maranda And I should stretch bbl
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  775. lovetox they could use just sms
  776. moparisthebest did someone say https://jmp.chat/ ?
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  808. moparisthebest https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-on-the-front/ "Amazon threatens to suspend Signal's AWS account over censorship circumvention"
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  816. UsL interesting.. Time to choose smthng else than a centralized solution like that..
  817. moparisthebest maybe some type of federated standard might be a good choice
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  849. Wiktor moparisthebest: in case you're interested in what would Signal guys respond to "federated would help" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16870595
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  851. moparisthebest I'll summarize that:
  852. moparisthebest "there are serveral other properties and trade-offs like then we couldn't lock people into our walled garden"
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  858. Wiktor I think it's a valid point that if you have federated but only a handful of big servers, it's still easy to block, I think zinid mentioned this previously (but I may be wrong). The rest is of course marketing but that's obvious :)
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  865. moparisthebest sure I agree with that
  866. moparisthebest but the point is to have a bunch of small ones
  867. moparisthebest the bigger ones have more resources to resort to hacks like signal
  868. moparisthebest (multiple servers, answer differently to different regions, etc)
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  870. Wiktor > but the point is to have a bunch of small ones And I agree with that 👍
  871. moparisthebest and if the govt starts blocking them, new ones can start up to replace those
  872. Wiktor One way or another it's interesting to see how Moxie resolves their problems, well, usually it's better to learn on someone else's problems
  873. moparisthebest it becomes a game of whack-a-mole
  874. Wiktor Yes, but until your identity is tied to domain name you'd have to setup your roster each time you switch a server
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  877. moparisthebest well we could expand the protocol to make things like that easier
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  879. moparisthebest (or just save them locally on the client and share them across accounts, no protocol involved)
  880. Ge0rG Like Briar?
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  885. Wiktor Identify user by keys not domains... And we're back to OpenPGP!
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  887. moparisthebest hmm that is an interesting thought
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  889. moparisthebest the onion-like setup would in theory allow you to chat with 1 person on multiple JIDs, identified by key
  890. moparisthebest and since there rosters are 100% client-side anyway, you could hop servers as much as you wanted
  891. Ge0rG > @signalapp Time to move to the blockchain!:D https://twitter.com/pray4crypto/status/991390269798010880 nailed it!
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  893. Wiktor Sign your subscription requests and clients can see you're the same person :)
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  895. Zash But federation isn't about censorship resistance.
  896. Ge0rG Zash: no? I'm out then!
  897. moparisthebest Wiktor, yea but who wants to leak to the servers that you are the same person? :)
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  900. Wiktor Did I forget "encrypted with OMEMO" ? Encryption here and there a little always help... :)
  901. moparisthebest anyone know a server in the wild that implements this websocket discovery method? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7395#section-4
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  903. Wiktor moparisthebest: conversations.im
  904. Wiktor But they lack correct CORS headers for web clients for this file... Forgot to report that
  905. moparisthebest thanks!
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  907. Wiktor No problem, I tested one web client there, worked like a charm. Actually this is just a file and both ejabberd and Prosody have websocket support. So it's trivial to set up.
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  911. Ge0rG Oh, is my client desynchronized, or is the board meeting still ongoing?
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  914. ralphm I thought I fixed that
  915. ralphm set the topic to XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
  916. ralphm I blame Conversations
  917. moparisthebest yea Wiktor I just wanted to see an example of an actual file in the wild :)
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  919. Wiktor Got it :)
  920. Ge0rG ralphm: thanks!
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  922. Zash Looks like I still have one too
  923. ralphm Zash: but federation does address some issues caused by attempts to censorship. E.g. the blockage in Russia of AWS would not affect servers hosted in Russia.
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  932. Andrew Nenakhov ralphm, unless servers hosted in Russia will also be blocked from AWS. And they will be, eventually.
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  943. Wiktor I think the point is just that Russia users could talk to their friends in Russia without problems (unaffected by AWS).
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  946. Andrew Nenakhov No. Russian servers would be asked to give up data or be shut down
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  976. ralphm Which is different threat.
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  1029. Andrew Nenakhov Actually it's the same threat. Local servers can be blocked using same method as international ones. Authorities just have even more leverage over local services because they can not only block server but also physically access it.
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