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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[01:41:36] <moparisthebest> are there other ways of connecting to xmpp servers besides rfc-style starttls, bosh, websocket, and xep-0368 style direct TLS ?
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[03:37:10] <moparisthebest> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/627 https://burtrum.org/hacx/
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[05:51:01] <jonasw> can XEP-0114 components send presence probes?
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[07:50:46] <mrdoctorwho> jonasw, yes
[07:50:51] <jonasw> mrdoctorwho, cool :)
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[08:38:22] <Maranda> moparisthebest, I suppose this would count as bosh as well https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0252.html
[08:38:37] *Maranda has script syntax for JSON
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[09:58:13] <Maranda> 5223 would be the defacto standard for _xmpps-client or is that still considered legacy?
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[09:59:44] <lovetox> i dont think so
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[10:00:04] <lovetox> was it not that back in time people thought nobody is going to use it anymore in the future
[10:00:10] <lovetox> and now it seems it comes back
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[10:00:52] <lovetox> oh you mean the port?
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[10:05:27] <Maranda> I mean the port yes, since there's a srv record for it one wonders if there's a registered standard port, or if we're gonna reuse legacy ssl port out of assumption lovetox
[10:06:21] <lovetox> Gajim uses 5223 if there is no srv record
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[12:05:25] <moparisthebest> There is no standard port in xep368
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[12:43:23] <debacle> I hope this "marketing question" is right here: Why does https://xmpp.org/ bring the slogan "The most secure messaging standard" in focus? There are many things to say about XMPP, and it's not bad on security, but still: Is this the most relevant single thing marketing should focus on?
[12:46:52] <MattJ> debacle, have a suggestion for an alternative?
[12:47:33] <jonasw> (speaking of marketing, shouldn’t there be a board meeting soon-ish?)
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[12:48:16] <MattJ> In 40 minutes
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[12:51:46] <debacle> MattJ, I don't have an alternative, but would probably highlight universality of XMPP (IM, IoT, group communication/social, VoIP), in contrast to a specific use case. Marketing people would probably object to blurring the focus in that way :~)
[12:52:30] <Holger> And open federation.
[12:52:34] <debacle> But "most secure messaging standard" doesn't sound really compelling to me.
[12:52:50] <debacle> Even if it is (were) true.
[12:52:50] <Holger> No idea how to pour this into a marketing phrase but would do we pay our marketing department for!
[12:53:03] <MattJ> XMPP is a protocol standard, not an open federation
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[12:53:23] <MattJ> See how it's complicated? :)
[12:53:29] <jonasw> remind me, which marketing department again?
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[12:53:34] <Holger> An especially secure standard?
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[12:53:42] <Ge0rG> Who are we even marketing XMPP to?
[12:53:43] <MattJ> debacle just became our marketing department
[12:53:49] <jonasw> boohahaha
[12:53:54] <MattJ> as being the only person to bring this up since the site was created
[12:54:28] <Holger> I was thinking exactly the same though :-)
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[12:54:47] <Holger> (But I won't join the department.)
[12:55:07] <jonasw> as if you had a choice
[12:55:17] <Holger> :-)
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[12:56:42] <Holger> The subtitle is better-fitting though, I think. "Battle-tested. Independent. Privacy-focused."
[12:57:11] <pep.> agreed.
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[12:57:23] <pep.> Also I second Ge0rG's question, "Who are we even marketing XMPP to?"
[12:57:25] <jonasw> raise the subtitle to main title?
[12:57:25] *Seve/SouL wishes XMPP beig THE messaging standard :)
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[12:57:45] <moparisthebest> How about "XMPP, screw walled gardens"
[12:57:49] <jonasw> hah
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[12:58:30] <MattJ> moparisthebest, again - WhatsApp was XMPP based, Facebook managed an XMPP walled garden for some time, and so on...
[12:59:00] <moparisthebest> yea the who really matters, a business wants something different than privacy focused individual looking to replace LATEST_APP
[12:59:02] <MattJ> xmpp.org is for developers, IMHO
[12:59:15] <jonasw> I tend to agree
[12:59:27] <pep.> MattJ, that's what I would think. What do the statistics say?
[12:59:29] <MattJ> I think by the time an end user reaches xmpp.org, we've lost them :)
[12:59:38] <moparisthebest> "XMPP, screw walled gardens, unless you want to build a walled garden with XMPP, but then you should be ashamed because you are a bad, bad person"
[12:59:41] <moparisthebest> got a bit unweildy there
[12:59:47] <jonasw> :D
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[13:00:00] <jonasw> MattJ, buuuut... what page would an end-user reach instead? :)
[13:00:04] <pep.> I vote for moparisthebest as marketing
[13:00:17] <MattJ> jonasw, doesn't currently exist
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[13:00:22] <pep.> clients.html?
[13:00:26] <Holger> jonasw: The app store page.
[13:00:30] <jonasw> :<
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[13:01:26] <Ge0rG> "XMPP, come to us and get lost!"
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[13:01:33] <Kev> Nothing fundamentally wrong with building unfederated or not publicly federated systems with XMPP.
[13:01:36] <Holger> Ge0rG: lol, very nice.
[13:01:49] <Zash> XMPP - The Standard
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[13:02:04] <Kev> "XMPP. Standards are good, and we have many to choose from"
[13:02:15] <Seve/SouL> Zash, exactly
[13:02:17] <Ge0rG> I think we need something user-friendly at jabber.org
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[13:02:37] <pep.> Ge0rG, what are you waiting for
[13:02:56] <pep.> I don't think xmpp.org should worry about this though
[13:02:58] <jonasw> +w on jabber.org probably
[13:03:09] <Ge0rG> pep.: I'm waiting for some more volunteers to start together the Jabber Software Foundation.
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[13:03:29] <Zash> Ge0rG: If you want it done, you better do it yourself.
[13:03:44] <Ge0rG> Zash: I tend to agree, except for the bus factor
[13:03:51] <jonasw> starting a "foundation" all by oneself is a bit weird unless you have a few M$currency...
[13:03:57] <pep.> I say if you want traction you'd better build a service rather than a front to redirect to tons of different clients
[13:03:59] <jonasw> Ge0rG, ssss the bus-factor among the XSF members!
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[13:04:16] <jonasw> pep., oddly enough, Ge0rG already offers a service :)
[13:04:21] <pep.> jonasw, I know
[13:04:22] <jonasw> so maybe he’s at the next step?
[13:06:14] <Ge0rG> I'm offering a service, a client and consulting.
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[13:08:26] <moparisthebest> proposed jabber.org slogan: "Jabber, use the name XMPP instead unless you have a team of lawyer's to rival Cisco"
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[13:09:06] <Ge0rG> That trademark was the single most community-hurting thing in Jabber™ history.
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[13:09:28] <pep.> You mean apart from lack of money and manpower
[13:09:40] <Ge0rG> pep.: no.
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[13:10:05] <Ge0rG> pep.: money and manpower are optional if you have some dedication and no trademark trouble
[13:10:34] <jonasw> manpower is never optional.
[13:10:40] <jonasw> but dedication usually implies manpower
[13:10:41] <pep.> money can buy manpower
[13:10:49] <Ge0rG> money can buy trademarks.
[13:10:54] <pep.> we need money!
[13:10:54] <Seve/SouL> Just call it Zimpy, the chat
[13:11:13] <pep.> money and marketing!
[13:11:13] <jonasw> the long-term plan would be to (a) have good clients, (b) rebrand everything to FancyNewName once the clients are ready
[13:11:16] <pep.> Here, I just saved us
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[13:11:34] <Ge0rG> jonasw: said the author of Jabber™Cat
[13:11:38] <MattJ> Heh
[13:11:40] <pep.> :D
[13:11:46] <jonasw> Ge0rG, the "Cat" is the important part, not the "Jabber"
[13:12:06] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I suggest you rename it to SchrödingersCat then.
[13:12:15] <jonasw> unwieldy and un-google-able
[13:12:18] <Ge0rG> ChatCat
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[13:12:22] <jonasw> trademarked
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[13:12:29] <Ge0rG> CatChat?
[13:12:35] <jonasw> (I fear we’re now going through the same iterations I went through before settling on Jabber™Cat)
[13:12:46] <jonasw> (note that JabberCat wasn’t my first choice)
[13:12:54] <Ge0rG> > GitHub - skylerto/chat-cat: A chat application written in Node.js.
There must be some kind of Rule 34 for Node.js
[13:13:06] <jonasw> lol
[13:13:42] <Ge0rG> I'm still fed up with my "mbsync must have some way to do imap idle" research results
[13:13:50] <moparisthebest> I have an idea, and I understand it might be controversial, but why don't we come up with a neat 4 letter acronym? What about XMPP ? :P
[13:14:14] <jonasw> moparisthebest, do you know of any sucessful general-population application which uses a four-letter acronym?
[13:14:24] <pep.> ping
[13:14:27] <pep.> ah it's not
[13:14:27] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: we still haven't recovered from the last time we attempted that rebranding
[13:14:34] <pep.> hmm
[13:14:57] <moparisthebest> jonasw, IMAP, HTTP ?
[13:14:58] <Ge0rG> But yeah, Ex-MP-Pee is awesome.
[13:15:02] <jonasw> moparisthebest, those are protocols, not applications
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[13:15:34] <jonasw> the applications are "E-mail" and "The web" on one layer of abstraction, or "Outlook"/"Gmail", "Firefox"/"Chrome"/"Internet" on another
[13:15:35] <moparisthebest> well I mean no application is named XMPP is it?
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[13:16:04] <jonasw> this isn’t about naming the protocol
[13:16:07] <jonasw> it’s about naming the IM network
[13:16:16] <jonasw> or ecosystem
[13:16:18] <jonasw> or how you wanna call it
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[13:16:32] <MattJ> "Let me send you an SMTP with the document when I get to the office"
[13:16:43] <jonasw> exactly
[13:16:54] <Ge0rG> MattJ: can't you send me an IMAP instead?
[13:17:10] <MattJ> Ge0rG, sorry, I only JMAP
[13:17:35] <MattJ> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-kundrat-imap-submit-00.html
[13:17:43] <MattJ> I knew someone had to have done it
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[13:18:10] <Ge0rG> but "submit" is not a PC word
[13:18:39] <moparisthebest> I just feel like it's about 20 years late for a rebranding
[13:18:43] <moparisthebest> but oh well
[13:18:54] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: To the Time Machine!
[13:18:54] <MattJ> Ge0rG, maybe why http://trojita.flaska.net/draft-imap-sendmail-00.html :)
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[13:20:45] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: I think there is much irony in how the JSF rebranded itself into something that doesn't do ecosystem maintenance any more, a long time ago, while burning the original name with trademark complexity
[13:21:47] <jonasw> moparisthebest, WhatsApp took XMPP, rebranded it to WhatsApp and was quite succesful at it
[13:21:57] <jonasw> I don’t see why a dedicated community of XMPP developers couldn’t do the same, but with federation.
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[13:22:18] <MattJ> +1 to this
[13:22:22] <pep.> yeah
[13:22:23] <moparisthebest> I don't think it was the name, I think it was the money
[13:22:24] <MattJ> Except
[13:22:27] <Zash> Ge0rG: Well, Jabber Inc was involved somehow, then got bought by Cisco..
[13:22:33] <Ge0rG> jonasw: because there is a lack of a dedicated developer community, SV startup funding and the trademark name is burned.
[13:22:39] <MattJ> "dedicated community of XMPP developers" would totally fail :)
[13:23:03] <jonasw> moparisthebest, it wouldn’t have succeeded with a crappy name like XMPP.
[13:23:04] <MattJ> Because we're terrible at everything except making protocols and writing code (and some might argue we're not too good at those things either ;) )
[13:23:11] <pep.> aren't we a dedicated community of developers already?
[13:23:15] <pep.> maybe not that dedicated
[13:23:21] <jonasw> pep., yeah, that’s the issue
[13:23:36] <Ge0rG> MattJ: the one thing we excel at is bike shedding. If life gives you lemons, make lemonade - so what should we do?
[13:23:43] <Ge0rG> Maybe go into politics?
[13:23:45] <pep.> jonasw, please free me from $dayjob
[13:23:50] <jonasw> actually, I am not really allowed in this discussion as per the "no discussions unless an XMPP related commit in the last 24 hours". and I haven’t been allowed for weeks now.
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[13:24:02] <jonasw> Ge0rG, :D
[13:24:39] <jonasw> (I /wish/ I was allowed, but among the masterthesis, a bunch of private stuff going on and the job, there isn’t much time left.)
[13:24:40] <pep.> jonasw, I don't think that's an issue specific to XMPP anyway
[13:24:46] <jonasw> it’s an issue specific to FLOSS
[13:24:49] <pep.> yes
[13:25:02] <jonasw> and right now there aren’t any serious non-FLOSS federating IM products
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[13:26:21] <moparisthebest> I still think it's all about money
[13:26:33] <moparisthebest> you can push any crap product given enough money
[13:26:43] <Zash> Marketing budget!
[13:26:50] <moparisthebest> on the other hand, companies can't make money pushing an xmpp client, because it's not a walled garden
[13:26:50] <MattJ> Indeed it is
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[13:27:10] <moparisthebest> pushing a federated xmpp client*
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[13:27:17] <jonasw> I bet one of the first things a professional marketing person would say is "folks, you need a rebrand" ;-)
[13:27:28] <Holger> You can fail pushing a product with money but you can hardly succeed without.
[13:27:31] <moparisthebest> client-wise Conversations seems by far the most successful, but it's a big nothing compared to whatsapp for example
[13:27:36] <Ge0rG> jonasw: that's how they make money, right?
[13:27:39] <pep.> Holger, hah
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[13:28:13] <moparisthebest> jonasw, their first thing would be 'you need to hire me, a professional marketing person'
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[13:28:27] <moparisthebest> then since you'd expect them to do *something*, they'd probably pick something useless like that
[13:29:10] <jonasw> I think the name and design of a thing matters more than you’d think, but I’m afraid we have to agree to disagree here.
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[13:29:40] <moparisthebest> to be fair I understand that means nothing at all to me and more than nothing to other people :)
[13:30:03] <moparisthebest> I've been using linux on the desktop since 2006 if that tells you something about my tastes
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[13:32:04] <Guus> It's time for the weekly board meeting. Ralph sent his apologies. Who's here?
[13:33:07] <Guus> MattJ, Martin, Nyco?
[13:33:12] <MattJ> Hey
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[13:34:26] <Guus> ... this does not bode well.
[13:34:45] <nyco> Hello
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[13:34:51] <nyco> test
[13:35:15] <nyco> we have the quorum
[13:35:55] <Guus> yey
[13:36:10] <MattJ> :)
[13:36:22] *Guus bangs a gavel
[13:36:43] <Guus> 0. Role Call and Agenda
[13:36:47] <Guus> we've established that we're here
[13:37:11] <Guus> The agenda will be taken from https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings as usual.
[13:37:22] <Guus> Does anyone want to add anything?
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[13:37:28] <MattJ> Nothing here
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[13:37:59] <Guus> 1. Minute taker
[13:38:20] <Guus> Volunteers kindly line up in rows of 5
[13:38:32] <MattJ> *Rows of 0.5
[13:38:35] <MattJ> I'll do it
[13:38:39] <Guus> thank you
[13:38:59] <Guus> 2. Topics for discussion
[13:39:01] <Guus> (none)
[13:39:16] <Guus> sorry, for _decision_ that is.
[13:39:37] <Guus> 3. Reviewing the commitment list
[13:39:56] <Guus> 3.1 The membership survey on priorities
[13:40:03] <Guus> Mattj, how is that coming along?
[13:40:19] <MattJ> It's fine... sorry, I should have sent it out but haven't yet
[13:40:29] <MattJ> I'll aim to do it later today
[13:40:38] <MattJ> Just need to draft a short email and send the link to members@
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[13:40:50] <Guus> excellent
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[13:41:05] <Guus> 3.2 The online shop for selling swag
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[13:41:16] <Guus> Nyco, I think you were going to do some further investigation, right?
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[13:41:25] <Andrew Nenakhov> jonasw,

> I don’t see why a dedicated community of XMPP developers couldn’t do the same, but with federation.

Because too many XEPs are written by theoreticians who don't produce working implementations.
[13:42:04] <nyco> sorry, I did not dedicate time for this
[13:42:20] <Guus> (Andrew, would you mind waiting for 20 minutes with other discussions while we have our short meeting please?)
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[13:42:40] <nyco> aaah, if we had threads...
[13:42:40] <Guus> nyco, can you do it before the next meeting?
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[13:42:50] <Guus> threads?
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[13:43:07] <nyco> difficult, but I can find time to draft something, don't expect elaborate study
[13:43:23] <nyco> is this acceptable?
[13:43:44] <Guus> iirc people were primarily interested in the price structure and a brief comparison with alternatives
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[13:44:07] <Guus> I personally don't expect an elaborate study.
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[13:44:13] <nyco> that's it
[13:44:14] <nyco> ok
[13:44:29] <MattJ> wfm
[13:44:30] <Guus> thanks
[13:44:42] <Guus> 3.3 Collect info on the role/responsibilities of the XO
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[13:45:04] <Guus> That one is assigned to Martin - I'm assuming no-one looked into this?
[13:45:32] <MattJ> I don't think so, no
[13:45:46] <Guus> 4. Items for discussion
[13:45:56] <Guus> 4.1 Fundraising/Financials
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[13:46:30] <Guus> I've not done much more on that. The treasurer did send out an email earlier today that he's trying to follow up on this later this month.
[13:47:08] <Guus> 'this' being an inventory of the state of our sponsors
[13:47:19] <Guus> or at least, that's how I interpreted his message.
[13:48:06] <Guus> I am happy for us to leave it at that, for now - but maybe someone wants to discuss something related?
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[13:48:28] <MattJ> That's fine by me
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[13:48:57] <nyco> not for me
[13:49:20] <Guus> nyco, it's not fine for you, or you don't want to discuss something related?
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[13:50:41] <Guus> given no response, I'm assuming the latter.
[13:50:45] <Andrew Nenakhov> Guus, sorry.
[13:50:53] <nyco> ah 😉 I do not want to discuss this, sorry
[13:50:59] <Guus> ok 🙂
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[13:51:01] <Guus> no worries Andrew
[13:51:15] <Guus> 4.2: Search for XO.
[13:51:52] <Guus> let's first get clear what the roles/responsibilities for that officer are.
[13:51:58] <MattJ> Right
[13:52:25] <Guus> to bad Peter is not here, he might be able to shed some light on that.
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[13:52:30] <Guus> I'll try to ping him
[13:52:44] <MattJ> He already said some time back he did almost nothing in that role
[13:53:14] <Guus> I wonder if there was something that he _should_ have been doing 🙂
[13:53:15] <MattJ> Our discussion led us to - maybe that position should be more active
[13:53:17] <Guus> or _could_
[13:53:24] <MattJ> which we'd need to define
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[13:53:37] <MattJ> Finding somebody willing to do next to nothing shouldn't be too hard :)
[13:54:20] <nyco> it's the responsibility that might frighten
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[13:54:41] <nyco> it's the little non-nothing to do
[13:54:42] <MattJ> also any ambiguity in responsibilities
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[13:55:33] <MattJ> Also... 100% of the current Board is based in the EU I believe. That begs the question, must the ED be in the US?
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[13:55:57] <Guus> ED will probably outlive the yearly board
[13:56:06] <MattJ> I'm guessing not, but it seems a bit strange to have a US org run almost entirely from Europe :)
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[13:56:53] <nyco> United States of Europe 😉
[13:56:57] <Guus> That's more related to the location where we're incorporated (<- unsure of the exact english term for that), than the location of the ED, right?
[13:56:58] <nyco> USE
[13:57:23] <Guus> USEMINUSUK soon
[13:58:25] <MattJ> Guus, changing where the XSF is incorporated is a bit hard compared to anything else :)
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[13:59:04] <MattJ> I don't currently have any reason to believe that a non-US ED is a problem
[13:59:10] <MattJ> Just curious though
[13:59:38] <Guus> I'm wondering why you bring that up in the first place
[14:00:08] <Guus> I've never given the nationality of any officer any thought at all.
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[14:00:31] <Guus> which makes my curious as why you did, just now 🙂
[14:00:57] <MattJ> I see it being a problem with e.g. bank account access, for example
[14:01:13] <MattJ> I know you said we can put Alex on a plane, sure
[14:01:28] <Guus> That's more relevant to the role of Treasurer than ED, I think?
[14:01:30] <MattJ> But it seems a bit strange having a US organisation with nobody responsible for it actually located in the US
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[14:02:00] <Guus> true, but officers change. I wonder that if we act on that now, we migth end up with a similar problem anyways in a year or so.
[14:02:33] <MattJ> I'm not proposing any action. Just it was a question that came to mind in the context of the ED search
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[14:02:44] <Guus> ok
[14:02:53] <Guus> let's leave it at that for now then 🙂
[14:03:15] <Guus> 5. AOBs
[14:03:17] <Guus> anyone?
[14:03:20] <MattJ> None here
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[14:03:46] <nyco> none
[14:04:07] <Guus> 6. Time of next
[14:04:27] <Guus> +1w is Ascension day (and Ralph already mentioned he'd not be able to make it)
[14:04:32] <Guus> shall we do +2w?
[14:04:41] <MattJ> I also may not be able to make next week
[14:04:46] <MattJ> So yes, let's skip
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[14:05:03] <nyco> ok +2wx
[14:05:08] <Guus> ok
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[14:05:13] <Guus> thank you!
[14:05:15] <nyco> thx
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[14:17:52] <MattJ> Minutes sent
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[14:19:35] <Guus> Thank you
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