XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-05-10


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  196. daniel pep.: xmpp:gpn18@conference.conversations.im?join
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  198. daniel Maybe Link Mauve is interested as well? Are you going to gpn?
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  282. Link Mauve daniel, I was planning to, but ended up not planning anything. :x
  283. pep. (surprinsingly enough)
  284. jonasw ELOGIC
  285. Ge0rG Man (in club): "Hey DJ, play Love to Hate You" DJ: "No" Man: "I demand it under my Right to Erasure"
  286. jonasw m
  287. jonasw I suppose erasure is a band or something?
  288. jonasw I’m not sure if I should be happy that I can infer that or whether that’s a sign that my mind is twisted.
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  303. Dave Cridland fippo, You about? I've some XEP-0220 questions. (Mostly about errors).
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  305. Dave Cridland Anyone else might know, too. I've an amusing... Bug? in Metre. Sequence is roughly the following:
  306. Dave Cridland Metre -> Other : Outbound connection, bidi-enabled, sends dialback request.
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  308. Dave Cridland Other -> Metre : Inbound connection, SASL-authenticated, bidi-enabled, sends dialback verify request.
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  310. Dave Cridland However, Metre has already closed its outbound, seeing a usable and authenticated bidi-enabled inbound session. So it rejects the db:verify because it's referencing an id it knows to be closed.
  311. Dave Cridland So, questions:
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  313. Dave Cridland 1) Should a db:verify that's valid, but referencing a closed session, be returned "valid", "invalid", or "error"? And if "error", what error code?
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  315. Dave Cridland In fact, that's kind of it. I may well tell Metre to leave any session that's even requested auth up when it sees a bidi possibility, even if it feels less optimal, but I'm curious about how to handle it nonetheless.
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  318. fippo dwd: why does the fact that the connection associated with the id influence the validity of the dialback key?
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  321. Dave Cridland fippo, Paranoia.
  322. Dave Cridland fippo, Metre won't respond "valid" unless the outgoing stream exists and is in the right auth state (REQUESTED).
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  325. Link Mauve Dave Cridland, btw, is Metre multi-threaded, at least for TLS handshakes?
  326. Link Mauve Now that my personal server got two cores, I was thinking about using something in front of Prosody for that.
  327. fippo hrm. in that case you might need to keep the connection around for a bit longer. or hope that people like me stop using old certificates :-)
  328. Dave Cridland Link Mauve, Nope, not yet.
  329. Link Mauve Ok.
  330. Dave Cridland Link Mauve, Of course, it'd offload the TLS from Prosody, an you can run Prosody as a component which'd possibly work neater.
  331. Ge0rG Link Mauve: how much CPU time are you currently spending on TLS handshakes?
  332. Dave Cridland Mind you, you can also run Prosody as a component host for another Prosody acting as the user, so...
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  335. Link Mauve Ge0rG, enough that s2s doesn't reliably establish before its timeout on server restart.
  336. Link Mauve It is a real toaster!
  337. Dave Cridland Link Mauve, I do have a bug there - although Metre uses libunbound in async mode, it seems to have a limit in the number of queries it allows in-flight (or maybe it's a sync interface hidden in the other thread).
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  339. Link Mauve Hmm...
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  341. Ge0rG Link Mauve: send pictures!
  342. Dave Cridland Link Mauve, I'll get around to fixing that one though.
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  344. Link Mauve Ge0rG, I'm not at home right now, maybe later!
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  347. pep. Link Mauve: prosody might not like it bit handling TLS anymore? What's the thing again in sasl that needs stuff from the TLS session
  348. pep. Not* handling
  349. Link Mauve pep., SCRAM-SHA-*-PLUS, but if you can transmit that it's fine.
  350. Zash Metre doesn't do c2s tho
  351. Zash Or does it?
  352. Link Mauve In this case Prosody would be the one doing it.
  353. Link Mauve Metre would only establish the connection.
  354. Link Mauve AFAIK.
  355. Dave Cridland Metre won't even listen to C2S ports.
  356. Dave Cridland Metre just does S2S and '114. (Well, and '368 and '361)
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  359. Link Mauve Oh.
  360. Link Mauve So yeah pep., your question doesn't make sense, Prosody would still listen there.
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  362. pep. Ok
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  425. Dave Cridland vanitasvitae, "a function that teenagers find neat" - ah, the youth of today, eh?
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  432. Steve Kille Any news on fixing Travis?
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  437. remko vanitasvitae: I actually use signal only because it has this feature. Thanks for the compliment!
  438. vanitasvitae remko, you're welcome ;)
  439. remko vanitasvitae: I find it useful to e.g. send passwords to someone. I know they won't delete it themselves, so i do some extra security management for them :)
  440. vanitasvitae I'd not really call that security management but I get the point
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  442. Kev It is if you trust them to be incompetent rather than malicious.
  443. Kev e.g. relatives
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  445. remko exactly
  446. remko although worded differently when in presence of
  447. Kev If you say so :)
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  451. ralphm Sometimes, honesty is best
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  453. remko as usual, whenever I step in to a thread on the list, it derails quickly.
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  456. Kev Moth to a flame.
  457. remko yeah, i'm still going with the assumption that i'm the moth, so it's not really my fault.
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  523. jonasw Steve Kille, hey, your XEP-0369 update makes non-editorial changes. I would like to keep the version numbers semantic, so would it be okay if I change the number of that release to 0.10.0 instead of 0.9.7?
  524. jonasw (The idea is that changes to z in x.y.z should only be of editorial nature, to make it easier to guage the impact of an update)
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  548. Steve Kille jonasw: that is fine. I was not sure. I had the sense that small technical changes should not bump the middle number, but happy to follow best practice
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  552. Steve Kille Although there was quite a bit of text change, there was nothing radical changed
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  561. jonasw Steve Kille, cool, will do then
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  564. Kev Smallest number is editorial changes only. Largest number is Advancement. Anything else is middle number.
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  604. Kev Is XEP-0404 still available? I've got a non-April 1st use for it that I want.
  605. jonasw Kev, yes
  606. Kev jonasw: Could you 'reserve' that one for me please?
  607. jonasw Kev, yeah
  608. Kev I'll explain in a bit, just on a call at the moment and thought of it.
  609. jonasw no worries
  610. jonasw next one is going to be 403 anyways
  611. jonasw and since there’s no other protoxep in the queue...
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  785. Neustradamus There is a problem of certificate for jabber.org, we must create a ticket?
  786. Neustradamus https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/2
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