XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-05-23


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  171. tux I like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.
  172. Ge0rG tux: but they aren't.
  173. tux In your proposal
  174. Ge0rG We should have mapped 404 to pidgin.
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  189. Wiktor and gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)
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  191. jonasw hah
  192. jonasw that’d be even better ;-)
  193. winfried :-D
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  223. flow Guus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?
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  225. Guus flow: yes, but time.
  226. Guus Also: house flooded
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  228. jonasw Guus, oh, are you folks alright?
  229. Guus Yeah, but damages
  230. jonasw insurance?
  231. Guus Including main laptop
  232. Guus Yeah, insured
  233. jonasw pfew, that’s good
  234. jonasw can’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?
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  236. Guus Our house was supposed to go up for sale today...
  237. winfried And a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.
  238. Guus The timing is aweful
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  240. winfried That is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...
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  242. Guus So you got a raincheck
  243. Guus Badum-tisssh
  244. winfried ... whished it missed your place and hit us.
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  248. Guus Georg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉
  249. Dave Cridland GDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.
  250. Dave Cridland Guus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.
  251. Guus Tx, will try
  252. winfried Dave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)
  253. jonasw Guus, ew, that’s awful timing
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  255. jonasw good luck
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  258. Dave Cridland Guus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.
  259. Dave Cridland winfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.
  260. Dave Cridland winfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.
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  262. intosi https://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html
  263. intosi That's about it.
  264. intosi And https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html
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  273. winfried intosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.
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  275. Kev It doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.
  276. Kev So that seems like a reasonable link to me.
  277. Ge0rG Guus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.
  278. Kev Guus: That sucks royally, sorry :/
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  282. Ge0rG Also I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.
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  286. winfried Ge0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)
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  288. intosi Guus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(
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  450. Zash Guus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.
  451. Zash Was a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.
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  453. Zash Oh, great
  454. Zash May 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>
  455. Zash So that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently
  456. jonasw ow
  457. jonasw that should probably go into the iteam MUC
  458. jonasw (forwarded)
  459. Zash Is there one?
  460. Zash Ah, thanks
  461. jonasw yes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
  462. Zash And I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room
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  464. Zash I had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.
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  468. Zash That's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc
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  472. Zash MAM for email would have been nice right about now
  473. Ge0rG Like... IMAP?
  474. Ge0rG Zash: ITYM MUC-MAM
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  485. flow I feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)
  486. Kev Oh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.
  487. flow He's listed as technical advisor IIRC
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  535. Dave Cridland Ge0rG, you about?
  536. Ge0rG Dave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile
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  571. jonasw can we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?
  572. jonasw it is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.
  573. pep. jonasw, yes please
  574. Ge0rG The one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?
  575. Zash jonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho
  576. jonasw I won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.
  577. jonasw not this again.
  578. jonasw so the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?
  579. Zash Nice things, navailable they be. </yoda>
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  582. Zash Converse.js does it I think
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  585. pep. marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing
  586. pep. Or is it coupled to PARS
  587. Ge0rG 401
  588. marc pep.: it is an addition to PARS
  589. pep. marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)
  590. Ge0rG Which I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms
  591. pep. Ge0rG, ha!
  592. pep. marc, "Example 5. Exceute account creation command" typo btw
  593. jonasw pep., make a PR
  594. pep. I'm waiting to find more :p
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  597. jonasw but a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author
  598. pep. Done.
  599. pep. Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~
  600. jonasw I nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes
  601. jonasw maybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)
  602. Zash When was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?
  603. pep. yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..
  604. jonasw Zash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020
  605. Zash I've got nothing after May 14
  606. Zash Last one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi
  607. jonasw ew
  608. jonasw that’s why I monitor bounces :/
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  611. Zash That's why I normally don't touch my email
  612. jonasw (but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)
  613. Zash I set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then
  614. Zash I have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?
  615. Zash Nope
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  617. peter thread bumps FTW
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  620. Kev Necromancy gets an unduly bad name :)
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  624. jonasw Kev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.
  625. Zash jonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?
  626. Ge0rG Is the Google survey GDPR compliant?
  627. jonasw Zash, which XEP-0060 split?
  628. Zash jonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.
  629. jonasw I don’t know what you’re talking about :)
  630. Zash While they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...
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  632. pep. Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this services changes anything re GDPR
  633. pep. Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR
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  638. jonasw Zash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)
  639. Zash It doesn't.
  640. jonasw I wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)
  641. Zash Haha
  642. Zash Not impossible!
  643. pep. :D
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  798. Link Mauve Andrew Nenakhov, do you have a MUC dedicated to Xabber?
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