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tux
I like how Terms of Service are mapped to 404. It's honest.
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Ge0rG
tux: but they aren't.
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tux
In your proposal
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Ge0rG
We should have mapped 404 to pidgin.
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Wiktor
and gdpr to 451 - unavailable for legal reasons ;)
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jonasw
hah
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jonasw
that’d be even better ;-)
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winfried
:-D
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flow
Guus, any motiviation to resume https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579 ?
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Guus
flow: yes, but time.
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Guus
Also: house flooded
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jonasw
Guus, oh, are you folks alright?
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Guus
Yeah, but damages
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jonasw
insurance?
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Guus
Including main laptop
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Guus
Yeah, insured
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jonasw
pfew, that’s good
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jonasw
can’t replace everything probably, but at least no financial ruin?
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Guus
Our house was supposed to go up for sale today...
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winfried
And a lot of hassle... I hope your data is secured.
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Guus
The timing is aweful
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winfried
That is bad timing indeed, that thunderstorm should have diverted to Rotterdam, it just missed us here...
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Guus
So you got a raincheck
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Guus
Badum-tisssh
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winfried
... whished it missed your place and hit us.
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Guus
Georg warned me about bad karma after putting pidgin on the quick start guide... 😉
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Dave Cridland
GDPR 2, The Revenge, looks like it might be fun - ISO/PC 317, defining a new consumer privacy standard that would go over and above GDPR.
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Dave Cridland
Guus, Man, I feel for you - see if your insurance will cover incidental costs due to delaying your move.
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Guus
Tx, will try
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winfried
Dave Cridland: do you have any reference about ISO/PC 317? Can't find any documents @ISO (would be interesting to see China go over and above the GDPR)
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jonasw
Guus, ew, that’s awful timing
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jonasw
good luck
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Dave Cridland
Guus, Also, don't forget to ensure your house gets a complete pre-sale makeover out of this - if you end up with new kitchen, that could easily boost the sale value quite a ways.
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Dave Cridland
winfried, Just popped up on an OASIS list I'm on.
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Dave Cridland
winfried, Still in formation, and the US hasn't started playing ball yet.
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intosi
https://www.iso.org/committee/6935430.html
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intosi
That's about it.
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intosi
And https://www.iso.org/news/ref2291.html
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winfried
intosi: thanks, I found the committee, but not the interview: “What’s more, it will also go wider than the new EU regulations for data protection by also addressing cyber security, that is, the security of our products in our homes – an important issue for everyone.” - making the link between privacy and security is interesting. This vastly under regulated (and of potential interest of XMPP IoT) but it comes at the cost of the danger of a too technical approach to privacy.
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Kev
It doesn't matter what your data retention policy is, if the devices you sell leak all those data anyway.
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Kev
So that seems like a reasonable link to me.
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Ge0rG
Guus: sorry to hear that. I got my own house sale delayed by four months due to water damage.
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Kev
Guus: That sucks royally, sorry :/
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Ge0rG
Also I'm pretty sure the karma bump due to Pidgin can't be *that* bad.
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winfried
Ge0rG: so far for the concept of karma ;-)
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intosi
Guus: that's terrible, hope you can get things sorted quickly :(
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Guus
T
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Guus
X
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Zash
Guus: That's a bummer. Hope it works out.
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Zash
Was a bit scary that I only saw people asking if you were ok, the message saying what had happend wasn't in the <history> buffer I got.
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Zash
Oh, great
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Zash
May 22 16:38:21 sphyrna postfix/smtpd[5116]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from atlas.jabber.org[208.68.163.215]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [208.68.163.215] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?208.68.163.215; from=<jdev-bounces@jabber.org> to=<zash@zash.se> proto=ESMTP helo=<atlas.jabber.org>
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Zash
So that's why I haven't gotten any list posts recently
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jonasw
ow
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jonasw
that should probably go into the iteam MUC
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jonasw
(forwarded)
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Zash
Is there one?
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Zash
Ah, thanks
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jonasw
yes: xmpp:iteam@muc.xmpp.org?join
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Zash
And I had also lost my autojoin flag on this room
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Zash
I had forgotten I added sorbs. And I've noticed no reduction in spam.
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Zash
That's great. Seems it mostly blocked legitimate mailing lists, like IETF, XSF, oss-security etc
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Zash
MAM for email would have been nice right about now
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Ge0rG
Like... IMAP?
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Ge0rG
Zash: ITYM MUC-MAM
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flow
I feel a little bit sad about fanout.io dropping XMPP, although I've never used it nor have I any stakes in it (my only relation towards it is Smack → mtucker → fanout.io)
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Kev
Oh, Matt's there too? I only knew about Justin from the XMPP crowd.
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flow
He's listed as technical advisor IIRC
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Dave Cridland
Ge0rG, you about?
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Ge0rG
Dave Cridland: oh, right. My laptop just lost wifi, will join from mobile
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jonasw
can we maybe burn non-data-form IBR?
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jonasw
it is a PITA that we have two IBR flows.
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pep.
jonasw, yes please
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Ge0rG
The one that's usable and the one that's a complex nightmare?
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Zash
jonasw: I don't think anyone supports dataform IBR tho
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jonasw
I won’t go over the "it’s trivial to make data-form IBR simple for simple cases" argument again.
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jonasw
not this again.
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jonasw
so the sensibly extensible protocol isn’t deployed anywhere?
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Zash
Nice things, navailable they be. </yoda>
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Zash
Converse.js does it I think
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pep.
marc, Ge0rG, what was that XEP you made again, the invite thing
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pep.
Or is it coupled to PARS
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Ge0rG
401
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marc
pep.: it is an addition to PARS
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pep.
marc, right, I was just looking for the number thanks :)
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Ge0rG
Which I haven't implemented because of... guess it... IBR data forms
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pep.
Ge0rG, ha!
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pep.
marc, "Example 5. Exceute account creation command" typo btw
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jonasw
pep., make a PR
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pep.
I'm waiting to find more :p
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jonasw
but a PR (as long as the changes are editorial) is better than pinging the author
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pep.
Done.
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pep.
Maybe he had other changes he wanted to put in there etc. ~
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jonasw
I nearly missed the members survey because it was swamped under GDPR minutes
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jonasw
maybe it’d be good to re-announce that survey (even though the thread bump by stpeter might’ve done just that)
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Zash
When was that? Did it get eaten by the "spam filter"?
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pep.
yeah, who thought sending minutes for the GDPR meetings was a good idea..
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jonasw
Zash, the original mail was on May 16th and the bump was today at 05:47+0020
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Zash
I've got nothing after May 14
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Zash
Last one I have on my phone is a "Thoughts on MIX ..." by goffi
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jonasw
ew
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jonasw
that’s why I monitor bounces :/
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Zash
That's why I normally don't touch my email
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jonasw
(but I don’t look at the graphs, so that’s 50/50)
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Zash
I set it up a billion years ago and it Just Worked since then
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Zash
I have monitoring ... but does it log bounces?
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Zash
Nope
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peter
thread bumps FTW
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Kev
Necromancy gets an unduly bad name :)
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jonasw
Kev, only in certain circles. Nothing wrong with necromancy. (mutters) Fresh meat for the evergrowing army of undead.
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Zash
jonasw: So how are you feeling about the XEP-60 split?
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Ge0rG
Is the Google survey GDPR compliant?
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jonasw
Zash, which XEP-0060 split?
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Zash
jonasw: The one I have photo evidence of somewhere.
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jonasw
I don’t know what you’re talking about :)
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Zash
While they were planning MIX on a whiteboard in the background...
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pep.
Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this services changes anything re GDPR✎ -
pep.
Ge0rG, tbh I would have preferred something like https://framaforms.org/, but that doesn't answer your question, and I don't think this service changes anything re GDPR ✏
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jonasw
Zash, also why does that need my opinion? ;-)
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Zash
It doesn't.
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jonasw
I wonder whether the legislators put the May 25th as deadline intentionally. It’s Towel Day / Don’t Panic Day :-)
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Zash
Haha
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Zash
Not impossible!
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pep.
:D
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Link Mauve
Andrew Nenakhov, do you have a MUC dedicated to Xabber?