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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:31:43] <edhelas> I don't understand the latest PR on MUC
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[07:32:58] <edhelas> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/653 this one
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[08:24:09] <MattJ> edhelas: you know what voice requests are?
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[08:25:35] <jonasw> Zash, I do that, the threshold is 1
[08:26:00] <edhelas> MattJ no
[08:26:19] <jonasw> Zash, yeah, that’s a new issue (with the XEP HTML not reactiong to Pgup/Pgdown/Home/End in firefox)
[08:27:40] <MattJ> edhelas: in moderated rooms people cannot write messages unless they have the participant role
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[08:28:24] <MattJ> And this feature is a way for someone who cannot talk in the room to request that a moderator updates their role so they can talk
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[08:29:27] <jonasw> note that the protocol flow is already specified. clients do not have a way to know whether the service supports that protocol flow though
[08:29:30] <MattJ> Very old but moderated rooms have never been that popular on XMPP so I don't think many clients implement the feature because it hasn't been needed
[08:29:58] <jonasw> and since it’s based on <message/>, it’s not trivial for clients to know whether the server supports the protocol even on opportunistically sending a request
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[08:34:30] <edhelas> MattJ :)
[08:34:49] <edhelas> thanks for the explanation
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[08:36:17] <edhelas> I'd like to do a PR to expose the access model of Pubsub node through the metadata, just wondering what you though about it
[08:37:34] <MattJ> edhelas: through disco?
[08:37:47] <edhelas> yes
[08:37:49] <MattJ> Isn't that already done?
[08:38:00] <edhelas> no, or I didn't saw the change
[08:38:22] <edhelas> but it could be really useful for me to know that in advance, then I can show it in the UI
[08:39:23] <MattJ> "If meta-data is provided, it SHOULD include values for all configured options as well as "automatic" information such as the node creation date, a list of publishers, and the like."
[08:41:24] <edhelas> ok I'll tell that to the ejabberd guys :p
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[10:28:45] <jonasw> now’s one of the rare occasions where I wish that resource locking was still en vogue :)
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[10:33:40] <Zash> ENOCTX
[10:34:27] <jonasw> writing a component which proxies several JIDs behind a single one
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[10:36:43] <ralphm> Why wouldn't the component be able to map this to fixed resources?
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[10:38:32] <ralphm> Oh, you mean for keeping conversations locked
[10:38:51] <jonasw> ralphm, yeah
[10:39:00] <jonasw> but messages aren’t important for my use-case anyways
[10:39:18] <ralphm> What is the use case?
[10:39:36] <ralphm> Not something like customer support agents
[10:39:47] <jonasw> nah. it’s a service which runs as a client
[10:39:55] <jonasw> which answers IQ requests
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[10:40:19] <jonasw> but to know the resource to send to, users would normally need to subscribe to presence from the service, which I don’t want (useless overhead, because the resource doesn’t really matter)
[10:40:39] <jonasw> so I’m building a component which proxies that client and translates IQs sent to its bare JID to any of the currently online client resources
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[10:57:09] <edhelas> is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0312.html deprecated by MAM ?
[10:58:29] <ralphm> Possibly, yes
[11:00:01] <edhelas> okay :)
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[12:37:43] <flow> jonasw, why not stuff the functionality into the component and get rid of the proxying?
[12:39:10] <jonasw> flow, aioxmpp can’t into components and I don’t want to do that in lua
[12:39:29] <jonasw> also, bonus for possible load balancing
[12:40:07] <Zash> Mmmmmmod_component_roundrobin?
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[12:40:35] <Zash> Or like s2s-level load balancing
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[12:47:33] <flow> jonasw, and using a fixed resource?
[12:48:09] <Zash> A round-robin bare-jid forking mode would have been kinda useful
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[12:50:20] <jonasw> flow, can’t rely on that
[12:50:31] <flow> jonasw, why not?
[12:50:40] <jonasw> servers may override and such ;-
[12:50:48] <flow> Zash, like xep354?
[12:52:15] <Zash> flow: Yeah
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[13:28:52] <flow> jonasw, I wouldn't consider that a practical problem
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[13:58:21] <Zash> When you have room locking in MUC, what's sensible behaviour if it remains locked?
[13:58:50] <jonasw> hmm, timeout?
[14:00:12] <Zash> The current stable branch of Prosody has room locking (disabled by default) where rooms are destroyed if they remain locked for 5 minutes.
[14:00:28] <Zash> The development version simply unlocks them.
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[14:00:42] <jonasw> that (unlocking) sounds better
[14:02:56] <Zash> Indeed.
[14:06:19] <Zash> Hm, maybe it should send a "privacy related config change" status code at that point.
[14:07:01] <jonasw> seems good
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[14:16:39] <jonasw> goffi, since you asked: https://muclumbus.jabbercat.org/docs/api#xmpp
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[14:32:44] <Guus> A question to the French speaking occupants of this room: when a French person writes me in English: "I'm in the show this week", can we deduce what the original meaning was? The person attempted to convey that they were indisposed - but no actual show (theater, circus, etc) was involved, as far as I can tell.
[14:34:09] <Guus> I'm wondering if this is a literal translation of a French proverb.
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[14:59:07] <edhelas> looks like a bad translation to me, for me it's saying "I'm trendy this week" but I'm maybe wrong
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