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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[09:42:32] <Guus> Is this semantically equivalent?
[09:42:33] <Guus> <foo xmlns="mynamespace"><bar/></foo>
<x:foo xmlns:x="mynamespace"><bar/></x:foo>
[09:43:18] <Guus> is the 'bar' element in the same namespace?
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[09:46:48] <Kev> I believe the answer is "yes", but never trust anyone giving XML answers off the top of their head :)
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[09:51:24] <jonasw> Guus, no, it’s not equivalent
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[09:52:05] <jonasw> <bar/> is in the default namespace in both examples. but in the second example, the default namespace was rebound by <foo xmlns="…"/>, while in the second example, the default namespace is undefined (i.e. no namespace; unless there is outer content which defines the default namespace)
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[09:54:22] <jonasw> Guus,
```
>>> t1 = lxml.etree.fromstring('<foo xmlns="mynamespace"><bar/></foo>')
>>> t2 = lxml.etree.fromstring('<x:foo xmlns:x="mynamespace"><bar/></x:foo>')
>>> t1[0].tag
'{mynamespace}bar'
>>> t2[0].tag
'bar'
```
(this is clarks notation, i.e. {namespace}local-name)
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[09:56:22] <Guus> Thanks Jonas, Kev
[09:56:34] <Kev> I said not to trust me :)
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[09:56:55] <jonasw> also, I meant to say "but in the *first* example", not "but in the second example"
[09:57:12] <Guus> No, but you confirmed my suspicion that I had to check 🙂
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[09:57:25] <Guus> jonasw, I assumed as much
[09:57:29] <Guus> I didn't get that clarks notation, btw
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[09:57:34] <jonasw> Guus, http://www.jclark.com/xml/xmlns.htm
[09:57:56] <jonasw> it’s a way to write namespaced elements, independently of prefixes. it’s very useful for debugging and even for an internal data representaiton
[09:58:42] <jonasw> it’s sometimes used on the mailing list. the name of the element <foo xmlns="bar"/> would be {bar}foo in clarks notation
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[10:01:04] <Kev> {jabber:client}message, etc.
[10:01:07] <jonasw> yupp
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[10:03:17] <MattJ> Prosody uses that notation in its simplified xpath thing
[10:04:28] <jonasw> it should be used everywhere :)
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[13:30:29] <MattJ> ping
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[13:31:52] <Zash> Is it Board Time?
[13:31:58] <MattJ> ralphm, Guus, nyco
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[13:32:53] <Guus> I can't make it, sorry
[13:33:05] <Guus> About to be in a car again
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[13:33:39] <MattJ> np
[13:33:52] <nyco> Hey, bandwidth issue on mobile
[13:33:55] <nyco> Sorry
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[13:40:51] <MattJ> Ok, I think we're skipping this week then :)
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