XSF Discussion - 2018-06-15


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  269. edhelas there is not MAM on mux.xmpp.org yet ?
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  329. edhelas another question, why a pubsub service disco#info returns pubsub-service and a conference service disco#fino return conference-text
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  332. Dave Cridland edhelas, I've no idea. I don't think in most cases the disco identities were ever that well thought through.
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  334. Dave Cridland edhelas, I mean, I've no idea what advantage there is in making MIX give out conference/text as well, or if there's a risk involved.
  335. Dave Cridland edhelas, But I have to say I like disco#fino. We should make one of those.
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  337. edhelas :p
  338. edhelas no but I'd expect to have all the services declared as services
  339. Dave Cridland conference/service for MUC and MIX? That probably makes some sense. Or would have had we done things that way.
  340. edhelas then I can more easily differenciate what are info coming from services and from muc
  341. edhelas same for pubsub actually
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  343. Dave Cridland WHat do you do with the identity though?
  344. edhelas it's basically to store things in the db, and to trigger some more disco#items request sometimes
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  405. Guus Could SASL mechanisms other than ANONYMOUS be used to establish anonymous logins? Akin to one-time passwords, perhaps?
  406. MattJ Of course
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  412. Guus Is there a generic concept there? Any mechanism that succeeds, but doesn't result in an authzid, something like that?
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  414. MattJ I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about re-using PLAIN? or custom mechanisms?
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  416. MattJ I find EXTERNAL useful, for example I use it with BOSH/websockets for cookie auth
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  428. Guus something like OAUTHBEARER with a token - could be EXTERNAL too, I guess.
  429. Guus I'm wondering about limited time access kind of tokens.
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  445. Dave Cridland SCRAM could result in an anonymous login, mind. Any SASL mechanism results in an authzid - ANONYMOUS is just special in not having an authcid.
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  468. Guus Dave, we miss you in open_chat 🙂
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  491. SamWhited SCRAM has a concept of anonymous logins? How does that work?
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  493. jonasw Dave Cridland, what’s the authcid? I fail to find the definition in SASL or SCRAM either
  494. jonasw is that defined in the using protocol?
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  496. jonasw (I remember having seen it before)
  497. jonasw (but it’s not in RFC 6120 eihter)
  498. jonasw (but it’s not in RFC 6120 either)
  499. Dave Cridland SamWhited, SCRAM has no concept itself. But if one assumes that an anonymous user is simply one with a possibly ephemeral authzid that has some special property, then there's no reason you can't get one of those by authenticating with SCRAM.
  500. Dave Cridland jonasw, AUTHentiCation IDentifier. Or loosely, what the mechanism uses as the username. There's always been some question of whether PKIX's authcid is the certificate or not, which is why I say "loosely" - it gets a bit philosophical after a while.
  501. jonasw ahhh
  502. jonasw right
  503. Dave Cridland jonasw, Whereas the authzid is - for us - always a JID.
  504. jonasw authzid is what you’re authorized to used after you’ve been authenticated, r ight
  505. jonasw so what one would do is to use an ephemeral authcid (or a special one which indicates anonymous thing) and then SCRAM or PLAIN with a one-time token
  506. jonasw so what one would do is to use an ephemeral authcid (or a special one which indicates anonymous thing) and then SCRAM or PLAIN with a one-time token as password
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  508. jonasw one would then still have to specify how the client knows which bare JID it gets, if it wants to bind. but that could be in ephemeral authcid if there’s a way to communicate that out-of-band
  509. Dave Cridland jonasw, The client is told its jid during bind, mind. It doesn't use it until afterward.
  510. Dave Cridland jonasw, In SASL2, though, it gets told the authzid explicitly in the <success/>.
  511. Dave Cridland jonasw, Also, for amusement, this is how anonymous FTP works.
  512. jonasw oh right, the client doesn’t even need to know the bare JID, I forgot that
  513. jonasw Dave Cridland, ha, history repeats itself :)
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