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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:02:13] <edhelas> there is not MAM on mux.xmpp.org yet ?
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[09:51:18] <edhelas> another question, why a pubsub service disco#info returns pubsub-service and a conference service disco#fino return conference-text
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[09:53:51] <Dave Cridland> edhelas, I've no idea. I don't think in most cases the disco identities were ever that well thought through.
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[09:55:34] <Dave Cridland> edhelas, I mean, I've no idea what advantage there is in making MIX give out conference/text as well, or if there's a risk involved.
[09:55:53] <Dave Cridland> edhelas, But I have to say I like disco#fino. We should make one of those.
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[09:56:24] <edhelas> :p
[09:56:36] <edhelas> no but I'd expect to have all the services declared as services
[09:57:44] <Dave Cridland> conference/service for MUC and MIX? That probably makes some sense. Or would have had we done things that way.
[10:00:00] <edhelas> then I can more easily differenciate what are info coming from services and from muc
[10:00:07] <edhelas> same for pubsub actually
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[10:01:02] <Dave Cridland> WHat do you do with the identity though?
[10:01:39] <edhelas> it's basically to store things in the db, and to trigger some more disco#items request sometimes
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[11:54:11] <Guus> Could SASL mechanisms other than ANONYMOUS be used to establish anonymous logins? Akin to one-time passwords, perhaps?
[11:54:44] <MattJ> Of course
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[11:58:12] <Guus> Is there a generic concept there? Any mechanism that succeeds, but doesn't result in an authzid, something like that?
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[12:01:31] <MattJ> I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about re-using PLAIN? or custom mechanisms?
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[12:02:12] <MattJ> I find EXTERNAL useful, for example I use it with BOSH/websockets for cookie auth
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[12:09:15] <Guus> something like OAUTHBEARER with a token - could be EXTERNAL too, I guess.
[12:09:44] <Guus> I'm wondering about limited time access kind of tokens.
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[12:46:54] <Dave Cridland> SCRAM could result in an anonymous login, mind. Any SASL mechanism results in an authzid - ANONYMOUS is just special in not having an authcid.
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[13:27:19] <Guus> Dave, we miss you in open_chat 🙂
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[14:14:59] <SamWhited> SCRAM has a concept of anonymous logins? How does that work?
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[14:16:16] <jonasw> Dave Cridland, what’s the authcid? I fail to find the definition in SASL or SCRAM either
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[14:16:24] <jonasw> is that defined in the using protocol?
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[14:16:30] <jonasw> (I remember having seen it before)
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[14:16:42] <jonasw> (but it’s not in RFC 6120 eihter)
[14:16:45] <jonasw> (but it’s not in RFC 6120 either)
[14:17:48] <Dave Cridland> SamWhited, SCRAM has no concept itself. But if one assumes that an anonymous user is simply one with a possibly ephemeral authzid that has some special property, then there's no reason you can't get one of those by authenticating with SCRAM.
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[14:19:01] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, AUTHentiCation IDentifier. Or loosely, what the mechanism uses as the username. There's always been some question of whether PKIX's authcid is the certificate or not, which is why I say "loosely" - it gets a bit philosophical after a while.
[14:19:16] <jonasw> ahhh
[14:19:21] <jonasw> right
[14:19:26] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, Whereas the authzid is - for us - always a JID.
[14:19:43] <jonasw> authzid is what you’re authorized to used after you’ve been authenticated, r ight
[14:20:16] <jonasw> so what one would do is to use an ephemeral authcid (or a special one which indicates anonymous thing) and then SCRAM or PLAIN with a one-time token
[14:20:22] <jonasw> so what one would do is to use an ephemeral authcid (or a special one which indicates anonymous thing) and then SCRAM or PLAIN with a one-time token as password
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[14:20:54] <jonasw> one would then still have to specify how the client knows which bare JID it gets, if it wants to bind. but that could be in ephemeral authcid if there’s a way to communicate that out-of-band
[14:21:30] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, The client is told its jid during bind, mind. It doesn't use it until afterward.
[14:21:50] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, In SASL2, though, it gets told the authzid explicitly in the <success/>.
[14:22:06] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, Also, for amusement, this is how anonymous FTP works.
[14:22:36] <jonasw> oh right, the client doesn’t even need to know the bare JID, I forgot that
[14:22:42] <jonasw> Dave Cridland, ha, history repeats itself :)
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