XSF Discussion - 2018-06-18


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  31. labdsf updated https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/666 by force-pushing
  32. labdsf flow: can't install htmldiff, some problems with "markupbase"
  33. labdsf I have changed the structure of the document and moved most of the sections out of "use cases", so not sure how useful it can be, probably it is better to just re-read it
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  552. mimi89999 Hello
  553. mimi89999 In https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-128
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  555. mimi89999 Why do you not put the JID in the item tag?
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  558. mimi89999 It is in the previous example.
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  592. flow mimi89999, the schema says that <actor/> is optional
  593. flow I haven't read the text though
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  597. mimi89999 flow: I meant the JID in the `<item>` tag. Not in actor.
  598. flow mimi89999, hmm, maybe anonymous MUC?
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  600. mimi89999 No
  601. mimi89999 Hmm... Maybe.
  602. mimi89999 But I didn't see it in the desc.
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  618. karp same effect when user leave non anonymous room. But it does not matter.
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  646. daniel for councils consideration https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/667
  647. jonasw although I’ve found the identity name == localpart thing to be handy for searching in localpart only ;)
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  650. daniel jonasw: well that will remain that way
  651. daniel For backward compat reasons
  652. daniel Otherwise I would have just tried to change the servers
  653. daniel To make identity name == room name
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  691. Ge0rG daniel: your xep change is missing an actual rationale within the XEP. Also my mobile Chrome OOMed while typing a comment and ate the 90% finished text.
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  695. Ge0rG daniel: please add business rules for servers to fill the new name field and for clients to gather the name from the many possible locations.
  696. Ge0rG To be honest, I'm rather opposed to having yet another name field.
  697. Ge0rG We can't even sort out the current MUC name vs description vs topic vs bookmark name
  698. Ge0rG Adding yet another field is counterproductive IMVHO
  699. jonasw Ge0rG, my understanding is that this is just the name which is already there
  700. daniel Ge0rG: you can already enter the field. You just can't read it back
  701. Ge0rG daniel: what?
  702. jonasw Ge0rG, the problem is that currently, you can’t distinguish MUCs without a name set from MUCs where the name was set to be identical to the nodepart of their JID
  703. daniel You can already enter the room name.
  704. daniel You can't read it
  705. jonasw because the name is currently shown in the disco#info identity and that cannot be blank. so services default to the nodepart of the jid
  706. Ge0rG Sorry, I'm not really able to understand complex issues today. Feel free to ignore everything I wrote and wait for my on-list
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  708. jonasw with daniels change, the name would also be in the disco#info form and you can distinguish the two cases
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  711. daniel haven’t you been one of the loudest advocats for Conversations displaying the muc name instead of subject?
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  713. Zash Are you saying that comparing the name field with the nodepart is hard?
  714. Ge0rG What's wrong with name in disco info name only? Either the local part is good enough or the client needs to put something useful there when creating the room
  715. daniel Zash, no. but what if the room name is actually the local part?
  716. daniel Ge0rG, that you can’t figure out if a name is unset
  717. Ge0rG Consider me an old fart, but I've never seen a list of the participants as the "room name" as a good thing.
  718. Ge0rG Anyway, this is too complex for me today. Sorry for bothering you.
  719. Zash daniel: In the case of Prosody, there's no difference between not being set and being set to the localpart
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  721. daniel meaning what?
  722. daniel you can’t unset it?
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  726. Zash setting it to the localpart or "" unsets it
  727. Zash and it returns the localpart if it's unset
  728. daniel right. i think that’s what ejabberd does as well
  729. mimi89999 Shouldn't allowed invites be based on role or affiliation?
  730. daniel it is i guess
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  740. mimi89999 It is. I see now.
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  767. Ge0rG Add an invisible whitespace, or a LTR Unicode tag to differentiate an unset name from a name that equals the localpart.
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  769. daniel As long as that's standardized I'm fine
  770. Ge0rG It's the same amount of ugly workaround logic, with one less field
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  775. daniel I’m not sure why we need to optimize for fewer fields
  776. daniel but sure…
  777. Ge0rG Then you could add a boolean field whether the name is the localpart... 🤔
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  780. Ge0rG I'm full of awesome protocol ideas.
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