XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-06-21


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  159. flow > labdsf> flow, what if someone sents silent messages to bare JID?
  160. flow rfc612(0|1) routing rules apply
  161. flow and possibly carbons or im-ng routing rules
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  239. MattJ labdsf, correct
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  422. ralphm Hi
  423. Guus o/
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  428. ralphm set the topic to XSF Board Meeting | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
  429. ralphm bangs gavel
  430. ralphm 0. Welcome and Agenda
  431. ralphm Who do we have?
  432. ralphm And what do you have?
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  434. MattJ Here
  435. Guus Here, headache.
  436. ralphm Be well, sir.
  437. Guus instant cure: less webrtc
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  439. ralphm I've been swamped in other stuff, so I know the feeling.
  440. ralphm Was there a meeting last week? I was tied up in another (work) meeting.
  441. MattJ There wasn't
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  443. MattJ Oh, on this topic, I contacted Martin a couple of weeks ago
  444. MattJ He moved house, job and other stuff, he said he'll be back online as soon as he can
  445. ralphm Oh, that's good to hear.
  446. ralphm I don't feel we have anything pressing at the moment.
  447. jonasw (survey?)
  448. MattJ The two items on my radar are the GDPR team and the survey
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  450. ralphm Ok
  451. ralphm Let's start with
  452. ralphm 1. Survey
  453. MattJ I'll take minutes too
  454. ralphm (thanks)
  455. MattJ Survey is easy... I simply haven't had time to do anything with the results yet
  456. ralphm Clear.
  457. MattJ I have them in a spreadsheet, but the format is non-trivial to get useful overviews from currently, it needs a bit of processing
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  459. MattJ Stupid things like it put the ratings as text strings instead of numbers, so it's "(1) Poor" to "(5) Excellent", etc.
  460. ralphm Right. Take your time to get that right then.
  461. ralphm :-(
  462. MattJ and I've just been a bit busy the past couple of weeks
  463. ralphm Same here.
  464. MattJ But yeah, it's top of my todo, so hopefully by next week we can discuss it
  465. MattJ Nothing else to report
  466. ralphm Thanks
  467. ralphm 2. GDPR
  468. ralphm Did we get an answer from Alex?
  469. MattJ I sent him some messages, but he didn't respond
  470. Guus Did we ask Alex? 🙂
  471. MattJ I can ping him again
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  474. MattJ I also pinged Winfried, who said his time is limited but he'd be happy to help where he can
  475. Guus awesome
  476. ralphm Cool.
  477. MattJ I don't think we will have that much to do, I'm willing to take on the iteam part of things, for the most part
  478. ralphm Right, probably mostly making the inventory itself
  479. MattJ so I see the two steps as 1) inventory of data 2) analysis of what actions we need to take for each of those
  480. ralphm And the Privacy Policy
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  482. MattJ and that
  483. ralphm ok
  484. ralphm 3. AOB
  485. MattJ None here
  486. Guus nor here
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  488. Guus I'll be awol for two weeks, starting july 13th.
  489. ralphm So that brings us into
  490. ralphm 4. Date of Next
  491. Guus +1w works for me.
  492. ralphm I'm sure there will be other vacation plans. I'm just going to keep assuming a meeting every week and see if we get quorum
  493. ralphm +1W it is
  494. ralphm 5. Close
  495. ralphm Thanks all!
  496. ralphm bangs gavel
  497. Guus thank you!
  498. Guus back to me MediaTrackConstraints 😞
  499. ralphm set the topic to XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
  500. MattJ Thanks
  501. ralphm Guus: good luck with that
  502. ralphm (and the headache)
  503. Guus tx
  504. Guus more coffee.
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  506. edhelas I'm just dropping this link here again as it might interest you https://nl.movim.eu/?about#caps_widget_tab it's some clients statistics generated from the presences that I've cached
  507. Guus Nice!
  508. daniel edhelas: what's the user base for that? Users on movim.eu or also remote servers.
  509. edhelas yeah on this nl.movim.eu pod, so I'm not expecting to have 5% of Movim clients worldwide
  510. edhelas also Movim users (and their related JIDs) are close to the XMPP community as well so aware of "modern clients"
  511. daniel Is this over the total number of presences? Or total number of full jids?
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  513. edhelas but it's basically compiled from all the full jid yes (they are merged across the connected accounts as well, see https://github.com/movim/movim/blob/master/app/widgets/Caps/Caps.php#L68)
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  789. labdsf https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-exploding-messages https://keybase.io/docs/crypto/ephemeral (one more messenger implements ephemeral messages)
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  793. labdsf > The goal is that even if an attacker steals one of your encrypted exploding messages from our server, and then later steals one of your devices and all the keys on it, there should still be no way for the attacker to decrypt the message.
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  808. labdsf By the way, it seems all these messengers (signal, keybase, wire) expose user device list to contacts, probably because it is way easier to manage keys this way. Somewhat related to recent MIX discussion: trying to hide multiple devices behind a pseudonym limits interaction to simple chat. File transfers, calls, etc. rely on direct interaction anyway.
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  810. labdsf > I'm just dropping this link here again as it might interest you https://nl.movim.eu/?about#caps_widget_tab it's some clients statistics generated from the presences that I've cached "Conversations" is listed twice, 50% and 2.3%
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