XSF Discussion - 2018-06-26


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  161. Steve Kille mimi89999: for me, FMIX is a key goal. So this is a requirement. Details on achieving this will be additional to MIX core specs. The important thing for the core specs is that they are done in a way that will facilitate this. FMIX is going to be simpler and cleaner than FMUC. WIll also address some issues in FMUC.
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  181. flow Steve Kille, maybe add most of what you just wrote (as note) to MIX-CORE?
  182. flow I'm sure mimi89999 won't be the only one wondering about this
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  199. Steve Kille flow: makes sense. I'll add this in the next round of edits
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  210. flow Steve Kille, thanks
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  349. mimi89999 So you don't go for a Matrix like approach?
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  354. flow mimi89999, as far as I can tell no. Matrix is consists of multiple dezentralized archives which get merged once in a while to form a graph (as far as I can tell, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong). MIX, right now, is a master archive from which participant's server could sync from
  355. MattJ That would mean no connectivity to the master server means participants on a different server wouldn't be able to communicate in the room
  356. MattJ which is exactly what FMUC was designed to allow, iirc
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  358. flow MattJ, right, but note that I wasn't talking about FMUC or FMIX
  359. MattJ Yep, I agree with your description of Matrix, and of MIX, but just adding the observation that the MIX model as you describe it will not suffice for FMIX
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  361. flow MattJ, right, something like FMIX would basically mean bi-directional sync from/to the "master" instead of uni-directional sync
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  374. mimi89999 Shouldn't that be designed in the XEP as it is on of the requirements listed?
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  387. flow mimi89999, why shall we bloat the core xep by stuffing everything, especially optional functionality, into it?
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  394. jonasw mimi89999, the requirements state that the federation must be "enabled", not "supported"
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  396. jonasw this might be nitpicking, but the requirement, in my reading, just says that the spec must take care that such federation isn’t actively hindered
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  398. Steve Kille jonasw: that was my intent. I care a lot about this. it will be in (yet another) XEP in the MIX family
  399. Steve Kille will tweak the words to make this clear
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