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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:26:16] <pep.> https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/05/16/banquets-and-barbecues/
Apparently a bunch of folks missed it so I'm pasting it here
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[15:32:22] <daniel> Interesting
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[15:33:00] <pep.> To some extent conversations already has the distinction they make here.
[15:33:23] <pep.> Not in the listing, but in the rooms themselves
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[16:04:27] <Ge0rG> pep.: how?
[16:04:34] <pep.> how?
[16:04:59] <Ge0rG> That article has some profound chat usability analysis, I'm impressed.
[16:05:06] <Ge0rG> pep.: pep. [17:33]:
> To some extent conversations already has the distinction they make here.
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[16:06:08] <pep.> members-only&realjids rooms have a different treatment
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[16:07:47] <Ge0rG> Yes, but how?
[16:07:53] <pep.> how what
[16:08:06] <Zash> Different levels of notifications maybe?
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[16:08:28] <Zash> Doesn't Swift do something too, or was that just for impromptu MUCs?
[16:08:29] <Ge0rG> How are they treated differently?
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[16:09:30] <Zash> IIRC only loud notifications for direct mentions in public rooms
[16:09:47] <Zash> Smaller private rooms would notify on any message
[16:10:01] <Zash> Also the OMEMO thing
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[16:11:00] <pep.> Ge0rG, uh, I thought, might be wrong indeed.
[16:11:13] <pep.> Or maybe it's just stuff I heard about
[16:12:17] <daniel> Yes private && non anon change some defaults. Like notifications and omemo
[16:12:48] <daniel> Also iirc those will automatically get bookmarked
[16:12:54] <pep.> "private" only means "members-only" here right? Or does it also imply non-public?
[16:13:03] <Ge0rG> daniel: what notification changes are there? Highlight VS everything?
[16:13:25] <daniel> pep.: when I say private I mean members only
[16:13:29] <daniel> > daniel: what notification changes are there? Highlight VS everything?
Yes
[16:14:44] <Ge0rG> That's actually useful.
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[16:16:31] <daniel> But I generally try to use that as an indication for those two styles of group chats. Even if for now it's only those two settings that change I will probably use the same metric for other things in the future
[16:18:44] <Ge0rG> "join a banquet"
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[16:19:17] <Zash> Dress up (with a fancy nickname)?
[16:19:59] <pep.> Zash, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banquet the 1.
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[16:20:41] <pep.> Opposite to "barbecue", which I assume they mean as a smaller group
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[19:28:04] <moparisthebest> jonasw, did you ever get that _acme-challenge cname server type thing set up like you talked about?
[19:28:54] <jonasw> moparisthebest, nah, I am still on delegations
[19:28:57] <jonasw> never change a running system
[19:29:19] <moparisthebest> yea I'm thinking of changing my running system(s) to wildcard certs though, which means dns instead of http :'(
[19:31:14] <moparisthebest> I found https://github.com/joohoi/acme-dns but meh I tthink I'm just going to hackily sed my bind zone file
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[19:35:32] <Ge0rG> I'm using dehydrated wih a manual zone editing process. It's very painful
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[19:36:25] <daniel> I have always been using the DNS challenge. For my setup it's easier than http
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[19:38:21] <moparisthebest> nothing is simpler than http if all your hosts run nginx, location ~ "^/\.well-known/acme-challenge/([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+)$" { default_type text/plain; return 200 "$1.KEY_HERE"; }
[19:38:32] <moparisthebest> no communication, no deploying anything
[19:38:42] <moparisthebest> but can't use that for wildcard I guess
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