XSF Discussion - 2018-07-06


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  368. jonasw when receiving a presence subscription without a roster entry existing, the server does *not* create a roster entry as per RFC 6121 § 3.1.3: > Security Warning: Until and unless the contact approves the subscription request as described under Section 3.1.4, the contact's server MUST NOT add an item for the user to the contact's roster. To deny a subscription request, a client uses the flow described in RFC 6121 § 3.2.1+: > If a contact would like to […] deny a subscription request, it sends a presence stanza of type "unsubscribed". Later on in § 3.2.2: > The contact's server then MUST send a roster push with the updated roster item to all of the contact's interested resources, where the subscription state is now either "none" or "to" (see Appendix A). Two questions: 1. This seems inconsistent, because there is no roster item as per § 3.1.3. Am I wrong/missing something? 2. How, if at all, are other resources of the *rejecting* user informed about the fact that the subscription request was rejected?
  369. Kev By the roster push.
  370. jonasw the roster push for the non-existent item?
  371. Kev :)
  372. Zash wat
  373. jonasw this would effectively create an item
  374. jonasw because subscription="none" is perfectly valid for a roster item
  375. jonasw and thus be in violation of 3.1.3
  376. jonasw and cause all kinds of funny out-of-sync stuff
  377. jonasw (if the server doesn’t also add that item)
  378. jonasw what do existing servers do?
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  381. MattJ https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/file/tip/plugins/mod_presence.lua#l163
  382. MattJ "FIXME" ;)
  383. jonasw this is about unsubscribed, not unsubscribe
  384. MattJ Ah right
  385. MattJ It looks like we skip the roster push then
  386. Zash Can haz The Great Presence State Tests
  387. jonasw skipping the roster push is the right thing™ imo (as I said above), but this means there’s no way for resources to know when the subscription request has been denied
  388. jonasw except by reconnecting and not receiving the type="subscribe" again
  389. jonasw "meh"
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  392. flow jonasw, write a XEP that will forward the unsubscribe presence to the other resources of the client
  393. jonasw flow, so you’d forward a stanza with @to not equal to the clients address to the client?
  394. flow I think that would be the first use case where there is a presence in <forwarded/>
  395. jonasw what would be the outer thing? message?
  396. flow yep, and a special extension element
  397. jonasw hurr-durr
  398. flow cause onions and their layers are cool
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  433. jonasw so XEP-0045 apparently suggests to put full JIDs in MUC occupant <item/> info things (e.g. <presence><x><item jid=".../foo"/></x></presence>). do servers include multiple items if multiple resources are connected?
  434. MattJ Prosody picks one at random
  435. jonasw right
  436. jonasw going ahead with the plan of dropping that on the client
  437. MattJ Dropping the real JID?
  438. jonasw no, dropping the resource
  439. MattJ Dropping the resource?
  440. jonasw (from the real JID)
  441. MattJ Yeah
  442. MattJ Resources shouldn't be seen by users anyway :)
  443. jonasw it breaks my understanding of aioxmpp’s APIs (which is a weird thing to say as the main dev)
  444. jonasw this is not about end-users, but about library users
  445. jonasw *shrug* if they want that information they have to sniff the presence stanzas :)
  446. MattJ +1
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  448. MattJ I don't expect much would break if we just made it the bare JID on the server
  449. MattJ But not sure I can be bothered to find out
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  453. daniel Conversations actually utilizes the full jid
  454. daniel Because some servers still don't include 110 and then being able to match the full jid is a nice fall back
  455. MattJ :/
  456. jonasw I refuse to interoperate with those servers.
  457. jonasw *sigh*
  458. jonasw daniel, do you have statistics how often that occurs and which software versions are affected?
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  460. daniel Having metrics in Conversations for every time one of my many fun little work around gets triggered would be pretty cool
  461. daniel But my audience hates metrics
  462. daniel So no
  463. jonasw do you happen to know the server which caused you to write the workaround?
  464. jonasw I wonder whether I could add scans for such things to muclumbus
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  466. daniel Well there is definitely more than one. Because 110 is a late addition to 45 AFAIK.
  467. daniel There are some servers which don't include it in all circumstances
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  469. daniel I think ejabberd community didn't include it in error stanzas up until a while ago
  470. daniel Ejabberd SaaS doesn't include it in affiliation changes
  471. muppeth nyco: about swag. I started a project called aptgetshirt.com while back where we produce (print) shirts and donate 50% of profit to projects. We use water based inks and fair trade (organic) garment as oppose to slave labor zazzle and alike. We thought of running xmpp shirt campaign somewhere around november, since you guys are looking for something we could work together on that. We also start slowly with stickers too.
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  479. MattJ muppeth, sounds great!
  480. nyco Thanks alot @muppeth
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  501. MattJ <number>102</number> <stanza>message</stanza> <context>Configuration change</context> <purpose> Inform occupants that room now shows unavailable members </purpose>
  502. MattJ What
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  634. muppeth MattJ, nyco: i'll get back to you once we are properly up and running. currently we just re-launched the webshop and selling old stock, plus setting up our own silkscreen studio to cut the costs and be able to produce smaller batches on demand. My jid is muppeth@disroot.org
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  679. pep. Am I the only one seeing 404.city stuck typing?
  680. MattJ You are not
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