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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[09:33:01] <daniel> well it’s a good thing that we have standards https://github.com/siacs/Conversations/blob/master/src/main/java/eu/siacs/conversations/generator/IqGenerator.java#L447-L449
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[09:34:35] <MattJ> Do we?
[09:34:41] <MattJ> For this, I mean
[09:35:02] <daniel> No
[09:35:02] <daniel> Last time we couldn't agree on a name
[09:35:04] <daniel> And decided not to do it at all
[09:35:05] <MattJ> Heh
[09:35:25] <MattJ> Well that's silly for something that's clearly being used widely already
[09:35:26] <jonasw> :(
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[09:35:57] <MattJ> Also, just this week I added a new config option to control whether members in a members-only room are allowed to invite others (who get automatically added as members)
[09:36:14] <MattJ> That should probably also be standardized
[09:36:27] <jonasw> good thing that it’s easy to add stuff to the MUC config
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[09:42:00] <MattJ> https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/92f0876b9230#l1.28 FWIW
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[09:45:00] <daniel> MattJ, are you also putting this in disco#info
[09:45:18] <MattJ> Ah, I meant to check that
[09:45:20] <daniel> as a client i need to know whether i should render that invite button
[09:45:22] <MattJ> My guess is probably not right now
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[09:45:32] <MattJ> I'll look at that now
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[09:46:53] <MattJ> Yeah, we're not, 1-line fix
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[09:48:34] <daniel> also could you put the roomconfig_name in there?
[09:48:42] <daniel> while you are at it
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[09:49:42] <daniel> i made this point recently on the mailinglist or here in the chat that most servers prefil the identity name with the localpart; thus preventing me from checking if the name is currently empty
[09:50:04] <daniel> looking at roomconfig_name would allow me to check that
[09:51:25] <MattJ> Ok, shall do
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[09:59:10] <MattJ> daniel, oh, looks like that's not standard either?
[09:59:49] <daniel> MattJ, you can add any roomconfig_name into the disco#info
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[10:00:07] <MattJ> daniel, says?
[10:00:18] <daniel> took me a second to figure that out myself
[10:00:22] <MattJ> I thought so too at first
[10:00:31] <MattJ> But look closely, and roomconfig != roominfo
[10:00:40] <MattJ> roominfo is a separate registry
[10:01:26] <MattJ> That said, roomconfig_name isn't there either
[10:03:30] <daniel> yes. but you can still add roomconfig things to the disco#info form. give me a second the find that
[10:03:30] <daniel> > he muc#roomconfig FORM_TYPE can be included in the extended service discovery fields (as shown above for the "muc#roomconfig_changesubject" field).
[10:03:57] <MattJ> Hmm
[10:04:02] <daniel> its roomconfig_roomname sorry
[10:04:11] <daniel> typed that from memory
[10:04:45] <daniel> i had already prepared a PR that registeres roominfo_roomname when i found that
[10:05:10] <MattJ> Ahh, ok, thanks
[10:05:13] <MattJ> So strange
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[10:06:31] <daniel> there are quite a few roomconfig things that should be put in the disco#info as well. like allowpm and allowinvites
[10:06:47] <daniel> how is your allow_invites different from that by the way?
[10:08:33] <MattJ> I considered that (and may be open to persuasion)
[10:09:03] <MattJ> But I don't think that just because you can send an invite automatically indicates that you can invite non-members
[10:09:23] <daniel> mhhh
[10:09:43] <MattJ> In fact the XEP actually states that this should be restricted to admins
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[10:11:30] <MattJ> "If the room is members-only, the service MAY also add the invitee to the member list. (Note: Invitation privileges in members-only rooms SHOULD be restricted to room admins; if a member without privileges to edit the member list attempts to invite another user, the service SHOULD return a <forbidden/> error to the occupant; for details, see the Modifying the Member List section of this document.)"
[10:11:48] <daniel> mhhh fair enough
[10:12:35] <MattJ> Prosody doesn't actually implement allowinvites
[10:12:48] <MattJ> It's pretty useless given the existence of direct invitations
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[11:15:41] <MattJ> daniel, done in trunk, looks like this: https://prosody.im/pastebin/029789ae-3642-47da-be6e-957eeec0831b
[11:16:13] <daniel> Thanks
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[13:00:03] <flow> There could be good story about the reason that ejabberd community and saas use different strings for MUC/MAM. Or is it just "don't care"?
[13:00:31] <jonasw> yeah, I’d like to hear that story too
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[13:02:00] <flow> Holger, ^ maybe you can shed some light into this?
[13:02:20] <Holger> SaaS has an older code base, that's all.
[13:03:21] <Holger> I think it was changed to match the suggestion from some PR or something.
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[16:10:21] <daniel> Working with ejabberd SaaS is a deja vu for a lot of the small annoying things that got fixed in ejabberd a while ago
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[16:21:27] <Holger> Yes they're careful merging stuff to avoid breakage, which also avoids fixes. SaaS is a bit like Debian.
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