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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[13:23:27] <jonasw> where do clients get information like "inactive for N days" from?
[13:23:36] <jonasw> is that XEP-0256?
[13:23:46] <Ge0rG> I think daniel was consulting various resources.
[13:24:04] <jonasw> a contact of mine claims I have been inactive for three days
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[13:26:27] <jonasw> it’s pidgin.
[13:26:29] <jonasw> of course.
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[13:26:59] <jonasw> <query xmlns='jabber:iq:last' seconds='336148'/>
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[13:27:12] <jonasw> no idea why
[13:27:29] <jonasw> I even reconnected in the meantime
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[14:15:44] <lnj> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-July/035250.html
jonasw, When using a different element for the uploading status, there's one concern I have: it's not backwards-compatible with old clients.
[14:16:13] <jonasw> lnj, why not?
[14:16:18] <jonasw> old clients will simply ignore it
[14:16:39] <jonasw> and I don’t think there’s a way to make old clients understand that you’re uploading without adding a new element...
[14:16:57] <lnj> Old clients would display at least "composing"
[14:17:16] <jonasw> yes; you can achieve that by sending <uploading/> together with <composing/>.
[14:17:27] <jonasw> like I suggested in the example
[14:17:43] <lnj> ups ..
[14:17:50] <lnj> haven't seen that
[14:18:14] <lnj> Then it's definitely the better alternative
[14:18:34] <jonasw> yeah, it allows to use those states independently of the current XEP-0085 state
[14:18:37] <jonasw> which is nice
[14:18:49] <jonasw> (it can even be used without XEP-0085 altogether)
[14:19:05] <daniel> But will it be caught be csi? 🤔
[14:19:12] <jonasw> beware though, I expect a whole lot of discussion when you propose this, since recently people discussed whether moving that type of stuff into (directed) presence isn’t more sensible ....
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[14:20:29] <Ge0rG> CSI and MAM need to be made aware of those new changes.
[14:20:48] <Ge0rG> Currently, prosody's MAM will remove known-irrelevant elements from the message and check for emptiness in the end.
[14:20:52] <Ge0rG> known-irrelevant is CSN
[14:21:20] <jonasw> if only we had namespaced attributes
[14:21:36] <daniel> Ge0rG: right. So that will land in mam and not be caught by csi
[14:21:36] <jonasw> one could tack csi:require-push="true" on message-child-level elements or something
[14:21:42] <lnj> Wouldn't it make sense to add a attribute (subelement) to indicate a message is not important and should be catched by CSI on the server
[14:22:14] <daniel> Also beware the jingle circlejerk
[14:22:19] <Ge0rG> lnj: IM 2.0 will solve all our problems.
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[14:22:37] <lnj> What's IM 2.0?
[14:22:54] <jonasw> lnj, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0409.html
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[14:23:15] <Ge0rG> There is still https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/im-ng.html
[14:23:26] <lnj> Isn't XEP-0409 only a replacement for carbons?
[14:23:39] <jonasw> Ge0rG, eh.... that has been accepted as XEP-0409
[14:23:47] <jonasw> lnj, it also affects MAM
[14:23:51] <lnj> Ah ok
[14:24:02] <Ge0rG> it doesn't even *replace* carbons ;)
[14:24:11] <jonasw> Ge0rG, does it not?
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[14:24:44] <jonasw> > A client activating IM-NG MUST NOT also activate Carbons.
[14:24:49] <jonasw> sounds very replacy to me
[14:25:16] <Ge0rG> Hmyes.
[14:25:26] <Ge0rG> Ignore everything I say.
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[14:30:23] <lnj> Would you accept Media Sharing Notifications (*MSN*) as XEP name? ;D
[14:30:54] <jonasw> that sounds about right
[14:30:55] <Ge0rG> that doesn't sound bad
[14:31:25] <lnj> The abbrieviation is also good ...
[14:31:33] <jonasw> yupp
[14:31:35] <jonasw> I like it
[14:31:39] <Ge0rG> I object.
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[14:31:49] <jonasw> lnj, if you need any editorial help, let me know.
[14:31:49] <Ge0rG> MSN is already defined as multi-session-nicks in MUCs
[14:31:57] <Ge0rG> -1 on formal grounds.
[14:31:57] <jonasw> Ge0rG, so? that makes it a perfect fit.
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[14:32:37] <jonasw> (seriously though, I missed that and I think another name would be good)
[14:32:53] <Ge0rG> jonasw: it's bad enough that we are abusing acronyms from pop culture and from older IM systems. We can't start abusing our own acronyms.
[14:33:10] <Ge0rG> Media Upload Notifications maybe?
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[14:33:15] <jonasw> MUN, wfm
[14:33:23] <jonasw> MTN would be good to (Transfer)
[14:33:43] <lnj> jonasw: Currently everything's fine. My biggest problem are the quotes from plays of Shakespear.
[14:33:57] <lnj> :D
[14:34:18] <lnj> I'd take MTN
[14:34:51] <Ge0rG> but it's not "transfer", it's "upload". If it were transfer, the receiver would be able to count bytes themselves.
[14:35:05] <Ge0rG> Also, the HTTP library I'm using is incapable of providing a sane progress report.
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[14:35:39] <lnj> But actually there should also be notifications for the recording of audio/video, so Transfer and Upload both don't fit completely
[14:35:47] <jonasw> lnj, hm, right
[14:36:11] <Ge0rG> Call it "File Sharing Notification" FSN?
[14:36:22] <lnj> That would be an option
[14:36:23] <Ge0rG> "File" is old-school, but it nicely fits with CSN
[14:36:23] <jonasw> that misses the recording stuff too
[14:36:43] <Ge0rG> actually I'd like it to be `?SN`
[14:36:55] <Dave Cridland> It's OK. Names don't have to make perfect sense, just enough that you can guess the scope and where to find the specification.
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[14:37:32] <jonasw> Ge0rG, "Stuff Sharing Notification"
[14:37:42] <Ge0rG> jonasw: Social Security Number. Bad thing.
[14:37:48] <jonasw> :>
[14:37:51] <Dave Cridland> But yeah, it seems likely that you'd use these as a "Wait one, I'm looking for the file on disk" as well as a "Pics or it didn't happen, eh? I'll show you."
[14:37:57] <jonasw> "hey, can you start sending SSNs to me, please?"
[14:38:05] <Ge0rG> LOL
[14:38:13] <Dave Cridland> Ge0rG, I think LOL has been taken.
[14:38:33] <Ge0rG> Dave Cridland: even in the context of XMPP.
[14:38:35] <lnj> FSN doesn't really miss the part of recording since I'd count the file creation to the process of "sharing"
[14:38:45] <jonasw> whatever works
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[14:39:10] <Ge0rG> I wish nobody had invented the MSN name, which is technically correct but misleading anyway.
[14:39:14] <Dave Cridland> lnj, And also, as I say, it doesn't matter very much. Any name is better than no name.
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[14:39:29] <lnj> Ok :D
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[14:40:07] <jonasw> .oO(d***pic sharing notification) (probably only funny for those in conversations@)
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[14:40:44] <Ge0rG> "Data Sharing Notification" would be a great fit for your idea, jonasw
[14:41:08] <Ge0rG> "BSN". Bike-Shedding Notification.
[14:41:15] <jonasw> Blob Sharing Notification
[14:41:42] <Dave Cridland> NCSN - Non Chat State Notification?
[14:41:48] <jonasw> hah
[14:42:20] <Kev> NTMSNA
[14:42:27] <Kev> NTMSNI
[14:42:33] <Kev> Not The MSN Initialism.
[14:43:56] <Dave Cridland> WCTOABA - We Couldn't Think Of A Better Acronym
[14:44:14] <Ge0rG> Dave Cridland: I'd like to have that for CSI instead.
[14:44:20] <Dave Cridland> But anyway, Dickpic Sharing Notification works fine for me.
[14:44:36] <Dave Cridland> Especially if its extensible enough to actually give me fair warning.
[14:44:46] <jonasw> lol
[14:44:47] <Kev> How extensible does it need to be?
[14:44:57] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Depends on how warm it is, surely?
[14:45:00] <Ge0rG> Now before anybody complains. I inherited the name "yet another xmpp instant messenger" together with the rotten code base.
[14:45:04] <jonasw> <uploading type='image' rating='adult' progress='half-up'/>?
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[14:49:22] <Ge0rG> jonasw: we could wrap those into spoilers for adult content.
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[14:49:33] <jonasw> Ge0rG, smart
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[15:35:16] <lnj> jonasw, Now I probably also need a upload-cancelled status since the uploading status is independant of the chat states. (I can't only use <paused/>)
[15:36:15] <jonasw> lnj, indeed
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