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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[02:03:00] <404.city> daniel, xmpp.org this is not an ordinary site about XMPP. The central site about XMPP. This list is copied to other sites and distributed as a recommendation. New users think that the missing servers in the list are bad. This list contains 5 servers selected based on biased criteria. It has 2 small servers(yax.im and jwchat). 1 without closed registration(jabber.at). 2 large, but without registration through clients and problems with XEP support (no http upload or omemo/xmpp.jp and jabber.ru). This list does not help the beginner. This list is misleading that these are good servers, and the rest are worse. A new server can not be added to this list, because they say "the place is occupied". I do not want to offend anyone and say that this servers is worse. I want there should not be a biased list or it should be freedom to add XMPP servers
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[02:26:16] <404.city> If an unbiased list can not be exist, then there should not be a list. I think this is xmpp.org not a personal blog. In XMPP clients, you can find a criterion. In the case of servers, this is ambiguous. Popularity can be faked and does not say that the server is good. The remaining criteria require large computational resources and a lot of new code (XEP, sertificat verfy, uptime).
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[08:02:02] <Link Mauve> “20:19:00 Ge0rG> If nobody cries loudly, right now, I'll delete both those pages.”, I think it should be made a redirection to the more well-known page.
[08:02:14] <Link Mauve> Breaking URLs is always a bad thing.
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[08:02:47] <Link Mauve> And if it has such a high ranking, it must be valuable to redirect it to https://xmpp.org/getting-started/
[08:02:58] <Link Mauve> iteam people, please do that ↑
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[08:09:47] <Ge0rG> A wiki admin can do that. It seems I'm a wiki admin.
[08:10:14] <jonasw> which pages are we talking about?
[08:10:41] <Ge0rG> jonasw: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Getting_Started
[08:10:52] <jonasw> can’t you make it a proper redirect?
[08:10:53] <Ge0rG> oh, wiki redirects only go to other wiki pages
[08:11:15] <flow> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExternalRedirect ?
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[08:38:05] <Ge0rG> flow: that requires iteam indeed.
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[10:16:25] <Link Mauve> My suggestion would be to do the 301 directly in the nginx configuration.
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[13:27:26] <nyco> hey all, board meeting?
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[13:32:35] <nyco> yes? no?
[13:32:37] <nyco> test
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[13:33:18] <pep.> Pong
[13:33:36] <nyco> that must be it... ;-)
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[13:36:29] <nyco> Matthew and Guus have sent apologies yesterday
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[13:47:30] <nyco> time out... :'(
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[17:20:16] <Seve/SouL> That was quick
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