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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[13:09:55] <jonasw> hm, Link Mauve, I’m not sure I’m comfortable merging your change to xep-0050 without going through council
[13:10:56] <Link Mauve> It seemed very much editorial to me (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/677/commits/b16e5025be007d9e4554beb127917f58246f980e for reference), but I can drop it from this PR and do another one for council.
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[13:12:10] <jonasw> this removes one of two statements which contradict each other. technically, you could also have removed the requirement to ignore this attribute (and possibly replaced it with a requirement for it to b e "execute" or whatever), so I’m not sure.
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[13:13:27] <Link Mauve> It didn’t make much sense to make a previously-ignored attribute required, only because it was marked as optional somewhere else.
[13:14:20] <Link Mauve> The other one is a MUST, this one is “optionally maybe add this”.
[13:14:26] <Link Mauve> The other one is a MUST ignore, this one is “optionally maybe add this”.
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[17:41:44] <lovetox> is there anything planned in caps2, that we have like a server caps hash?
[17:42:14] <lovetox> depending on the server, i have to send out min. 5 disco infos after a disco items
[17:42:15] <Link Mauve> lovetox, it’s already done, see §5.2.
[17:42:19] <lovetox> on each start of the client
[17:42:41] <Link Mauve> Uh?
[17:43:09] <lovetox> yes thats exactly what i would need
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[17:43:48] <lovetox> yes Link Mauve need to discover httpupload, mucs, proxys, transports
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[17:44:05] <Link Mauve> lovetox, if you mean that the server would keep a tree of all of its component’s ecaps2, the issue is that they could change at any moment, or even depend on who is asking.
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[17:45:00] <lovetox> what the items of the domain could change depending on who is aksing?
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[17:45:10] <lovetox> i mean yeah it could, but why should it
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[17:45:20] <lovetox> a client could also announce different stuff depending on who is asking
[17:45:22] <Zash> was disco-sub a xep or how was it?
[17:45:23] <lovetox> we simply dont do ti
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[17:45:56] <Link Mauve> lovetox, I’ve seen it done.
[17:46:10] <lovetox> yeah then this server should not use caps
[17:46:12] <lovetox> simple as that
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[17:46:17] <Link Mauve> Why that?
[17:46:26] <Link Mauve> It’s still a valuable optimisation.
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[17:46:52] <lovetox> i guess if he keeps a hash of its components *per* user
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[17:47:46] <Link Mauve> Another issue is what to do when a component gets disconnected and reconnected?
[17:48:06] <lovetox> restart?
[17:48:07] <lovetox> nothing
[17:48:23] <lovetox> for longer time, then send out a updated hash
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[18:11:54] <Zash> Bunneh: xep caps2
[18:11:55] <Bunneh> Zash: Sorry, I couldn't find a match
[18:12:30] <Link Mauve> xep ecaps2
[18:12:32] <lovetox> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html#usecases-stream-feature
[18:12:34] <lovetox> Zash
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[18:12:39] <Link Mauve> Bunneh, xep ecaps2
[18:12:39] <Bunneh> Link Mauve: Entity Capabilities 2.0 (Standards Track, Experimental, 2017-06-14)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html
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[18:14:53] <Zash> tanx
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[18:36:58] <Ge0rG> What sucks about stanza counters in 0198 is that you can't say when the desync happened. I'm at 35k stanzas on my session, with ~20 stanzas too few counted by the server.
[18:37:23] <Ge0rG> What sucks about stanza counters in 0198 is that you can't say when the desync happened. I'm at 35k stanzas on my session, with ~20 stanzas too few counted by the client.
[18:39:03] <Link Mauve> Ge0rG, don’t you get logging whenever that happens, on both sides?
[18:39:32] <Ge0rG> Link Mauve: no, i'm just receiving the last ~20 stanzas duplicated on resume
[18:40:17] <Link Mauve> Oh wow.
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[18:53:36] <flow> Ge0rG, you know you are desync'd but still resume the desync'd stream?
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[18:58:19] <daniel> Counting is surprisingly hard
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[18:58:57] <daniel> I really wouldn't be surprised if i find a counting bug in Conversations
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[19:13:30] <Ge0rG> flow: I know it, my client doesn't
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[19:15:21] <Zash> IIRC especially when acting as client it gets awkward since you start twice from separate events
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[19:41:40] <daniel> Yeah
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[19:43:23] <daniel> I think part of the trickery is to make sure not to send stanzas into the stream before you are resumed. Or at least don't count them
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[19:43:49] <daniel> But that goes for servers and clients
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