XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-07-21


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  345. jonasw hm, Link Mauve, I’m not sure I’m comfortable merging your change to xep-0050 without going through council
  346. Link Mauve It seemed very much editorial to me (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/677/commits/b16e5025be007d9e4554beb127917f58246f980e for reference), but I can drop it from this PR and do another one for council.
  347. jonasw this removes one of two statements which contradict each other. technically, you could also have removed the requirement to ignore this attribute (and possibly replaced it with a requirement for it to b e "execute" or whatever), so I’m not sure.
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  349. Link Mauve It didn’t make much sense to make a previously-ignored attribute required, only because it was marked as optional somewhere else.
  350. Link Mauve The other one is a MUST, this one is “optionally maybe add this”.
  351. Link Mauve The other one is a MUST ignore, this one is “optionally maybe add this”.
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  503. lovetox is there anything planned in caps2, that we have like a server caps hash?
  504. lovetox depending on the server, i have to send out min. 5 disco infos after a disco items
  505. Link Mauve lovetox, it’s already done, see §5.2.
  506. lovetox on each start of the client
  507. Link Mauve Uh?
  508. lovetox yes thats exactly what i would need
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  510. lovetox yes Link Mauve need to discover httpupload, mucs, proxys, transports
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  512. Link Mauve lovetox, if you mean that the server would keep a tree of all of its component’s ecaps2, the issue is that they could change at any moment, or even depend on who is asking.
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  515. lovetox what the items of the domain could change depending on who is aksing?
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  517. lovetox i mean yeah it could, but why should it
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  519. lovetox a client could also announce different stuff depending on who is asking
  520. Zash was disco-sub a xep or how was it?
  521. lovetox we simply dont do ti
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  524. Link Mauve lovetox, I’ve seen it done.
  525. lovetox yeah then this server should not use caps
  526. lovetox simple as that
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  529. Link Mauve Why that?
  530. Link Mauve It’s still a valuable optimisation.
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  534. lovetox i guess if he keeps a hash of its components *per* user
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  536. Link Mauve Another issue is what to do when a component gets disconnected and reconnected?
  537. lovetox restart?
  538. lovetox nothing
  539. lovetox for longer time, then send out a updated hash
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  568. Zash Bunneh: xep caps2
  569. Bunneh Zash: Sorry, I couldn't find a match
  570. Link Mauve xep ecaps2
  571. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html#usecases-stream-feature
  572. lovetox Zash
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  574. Link Mauve Bunneh, xep ecaps2
  575. Bunneh Link Mauve: Entity Capabilities 2.0 (Standards Track, Experimental, 2017-06-14) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html
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  579. Zash tanx
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  597. Ge0rG What sucks about stanza counters in 0198 is that you can't say when the desync happened. I'm at 35k stanzas on my session, with ~20 stanzas too few counted by the server.
  598. Ge0rG What sucks about stanza counters in 0198 is that you can't say when the desync happened. I'm at 35k stanzas on my session, with ~20 stanzas too few counted by the client.
  599. Link Mauve Ge0rG, don’t you get logging whenever that happens, on both sides?
  600. Ge0rG Link Mauve: no, i'm just receiving the last ~20 stanzas duplicated on resume
  601. Link Mauve Oh wow.
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  607. flow Ge0rG, you know you are desync'd but still resume the desync'd stream?
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  613. daniel Counting is surprisingly hard
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  615. daniel I really wouldn't be surprised if i find a counting bug in Conversations
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  624. Ge0rG flow: I know it, my client doesn't
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  628. Zash IIRC especially when acting as client it gets awkward since you start twice from separate events
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  645. daniel Yeah
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  649. daniel I think part of the trickery is to make sure not to send stanzas into the stream before you are resumed. Or at least don't count them
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  651. daniel But that goes for servers and clients
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