XSF Discussion - 2018-07-24


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  112. pep. Noob question here, (probably going to start a holy war), why is everybody playing with direct TLS again, is "corporate firewalls" the only reason it was brought back from legacy land, (what I gather from 368)? Please enlighten me :x
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  115. Ge0rG pep.: less round trips
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  122. pep. Also why did we even switch to starttls by default in the first place
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  159. daniel pep.: certs
  160. daniel In multi domain environments you need a way to signal the domain
  161. daniel That role is now played by sni
  162. daniel And also I think people collectively thought starttls was cool
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  164. MattJ I think people also thought SNI was cool
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  166. MattJ I'm glad it's finally receiving a lot of attention that it's also unencrypted and doesn't offer much
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  170. Ge0rG MattJ: the agencies still try to sabotage encrypted SNI
  171. jonasw somebody needs to tell the encrypted SNI folks that it won’t play well with use-cases like XMPP
  172. jonasw before that draft advances further
  173. jonasw I’d appreciate if that was somebody who has more experience with IETF processes than me though
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  175. Ge0rG jonasw: why wouldn't it play well?
  176. jonasw the public keys for SNI encryption are in DNS, under _esni.$domain TXT
  177. Ge0rG Sigh.
  178. jonasw so if you host both HTTP and XMPP on $domain, both services need to have the same private key
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  180. flow jonasw, guess that is what you wanted to tell the authors?
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  183. jonasw flow, yes
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  279. pep. Ge0rG, tell me a thing the agencies are not trying to sabotage :)
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  306. Ge0rG pep.: your mom!
  307. pep. who knows
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  310. Ge0rG pep.: your mom!
  311. pep. You sure
  312. Ge0rG 🤔
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  682. SamWhited Oh hey, jonasw's sed echo bot is front page of HN all of a sudden: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17601761
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