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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:53:08] <pep.> Noob question here, (probably going to start a holy war), why is everybody playing with direct TLS again, is "corporate firewalls" the only reason it was brought back from legacy land, (what I gather from 368)? Please enlighten me :x
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[06:56:08] <Ge0rG> pep.: less round trips
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[06:57:52] <pep.> Also why did we even switch to starttls by default in the first place
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[07:28:27] <daniel> pep.: certs
[07:28:44] <daniel> In multi domain environments you need a way to signal the domain
[07:29:00] <daniel> That role is now played by sni
[07:29:33] <daniel> And also I think people collectively thought starttls was cool
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[07:34:28] <MattJ> I think people also thought SNI was cool
[07:35:00] <MattJ> I'm glad it's finally receiving a lot of attention that it's also unencrypted and doesn't offer much
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[07:41:51] <Ge0rG> MattJ: the agencies still try to sabotage encrypted SNI
[07:42:08] <jonasw> somebody needs to tell the encrypted SNI folks that it won’t play well with use-cases like XMPP
[07:42:15] <jonasw> before that draft advances further
[07:42:27] <jonasw> I’d appreciate if that was somebody who has more experience with IETF processes than me though
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[07:43:14] <Ge0rG> jonasw: why wouldn't it play well?
[07:43:27] <jonasw> the public keys for SNI encryption are in DNS, under _esni.$domain TXT
[07:43:47] <Ge0rG> Sigh.
[07:43:49] <jonasw> so if you host both HTTP and XMPP on $domain, both services need to have the same private key
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[07:45:15] <flow> jonasw, guess that is what you wanted to tell the authors?
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[07:51:40] <jonasw> flow, yes
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[09:23:01] <pep.> Ge0rG, tell me a thing the agencies are not trying to sabotage :)
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[09:49:59] <Ge0rG> pep.: your mom!
[09:50:30] <pep.> who knows
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[09:56:00] <Ge0rG> pep.: your mom!
[09:56:22] <pep.> You sure
[09:56:40] <Ge0rG> 🤔
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[20:13:18] <SamWhited> Oh hey, jonasw's sed echo bot is front page of HN all of a sudden: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17601761
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