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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[05:30:32] <jonasw> SamWhited: you win the bet with "interesting challenge"
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[06:20:04] <Seve/SouL> Congrats :)
[06:20:10] <Seve/SouL> Did you post it?
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[08:15:44] <pep.> For once it's not xmpp bashing, that's good
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[08:19:27] <Ge0rG> hackernews love pointless brain exercises.
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[08:23:20] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you should add the Jeff Goldblum quote to the testimonials
[08:23:40] <jonasw> maybe
[08:23:48] <jonasw> -EBUSY though
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[08:59:24] <jonasw> oh my god why are people sending pull requests against xmpp-echo-bot
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[09:00:26] <Ge0rG> jonasw: somebody woken up the dragon
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[09:01:39] <Holger> Finally a successful XMPP project.
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[09:21:01] <edhelas> and in 3 months xmpp-echo-bot will support MIX
[09:21:10] <jonasw> it doesn’t even support MUC
[09:21:33] <edhelas> MUC is has been, all the cool kids are using MIX
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[09:30:12] <Andrew Nenakhov> MIX is never be 😂
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[10:00:16] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you could maybe get by by using GC1.0
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[15:33:38] <jonasw> Guus, uh... about https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579/files#diff-9661ef8d60d796f8a9156c049dba3a30R403
[15:33:47] <jonasw> this doesn’t make sense to me
[15:33:54] <jonasw> ahh, now it does
[15:33:56] <jonasw> enable ≠ resume
[15:33:57] <jonasw> nevermind
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[15:36:07] <jonasw> Guus, sorry, another question: why do you use <conflict/> here? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579/files/aaf23bf79081c7e1efa6861e2217809a60e13ea1#diff-9661ef8d60d796f8a9156c049dba3a30R431
[15:37:33] <jonasw> this seems extremely confusing to me:
1. conflict doesn’t really signal an invalid value. I think the list consensus was more along the lines of <undefined-condition/> + an application-specific condition element
[15:38:01] <jonasw> this seems extremely confusing to me:
1. conflict doesn’t really signal an invalid value. I think the list consensus was more along the lines of <undefined-condition/> + an application-specific condition element
2. conflict is used as error to signal that another connection is currently resuming the stream. this is ambiguous
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[15:43:01] <flow> + no stream management specific stream error
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[15:47:56] <flow> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/579/commits/aaf23bf79081c7e1efa6861e2217809a60e13ea1#r205162639
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[16:18:44] <Guus> Jonasw, you might be right. Or not. I included it mainly as a byproduct of the list discussion. I'm going to remove all changes other than the one I care about personally (the r/a sync issue) in the interest of advancing _that_ change. Other changes can go in separate PRs.
[16:18:44] <Guus> But first, dinner.
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[16:42:17] <Yagiza> About XEP-0280: Message Carbons...
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[16:43:11] <Yagiza> It seems to be lacking of point about sending messages between own resources.
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[16:45:00] <jonasw> Guus, but this is exatcly about your sync change
[16:45:10] <jonasw> I suspect you might’ve done a copy/paste error or something here
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[18:30:09] <Guus> Jonasw, I (intended to) use conflict for a second, different situation to the r/a sync issue (which indeed should have undefined, not conflict).
[18:30:41] <Guus> I'm quite literally at a trampoline with my youngest. Can't fix it now.
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[18:36:50] <jonasw> Guus, no worries
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[18:40:20] <Guus> Wth

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[18:40:48] <Guus> Indefinitely messed up a copy/paste there
[18:41:46] <Guus> https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/b5fab7c9-cf37-46ff-965d-e35901087705/yOHexJ7eSPydqT1UmejwMQ.jpg
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[18:43:09] <Guus> We progressed from trampoline to cocktails though. Might take while. 😉
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[21:07:49] <Guus> As I wrote in a different MUC: should be fixed now.
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