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  381. nyco hey, test
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  387. jonasw hey
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  389. nyco hi board members (and every one else ;-) ) do we have our meeting today? that may be implicit, but has not been made explicit last week, we had two apologies, but no-one showed up this week, we have no apologies so far, but many are on holidays I presume I'd like to jump on a call, so if no answer, I'll miss today's meeting, ok
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  419. MattJ I'm around
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  422. MattJ If people are on holidays, I'd rather that we explicitly skip the meetings in future
  423. jonasw +1 from the floor
  424. jonasw Guus has at least been around earlier today
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  433. Guus I apologised for a couple of weeks. 😀
  434. Guus I'm here now by chance, but will drop in and out of WiFi.
  435. jonasw still on the trampoline?
  436. jonasw also, am I weird for first thinking about something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampoline_(computing) when you mentioned it the other day? :/
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  438. Guus No, and yes. 😁
  439. jonasw damn
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  441. Guus But you're in good company here. 😉
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  625. jonasw so how is a client using a "conversations compatible" XEP-0066 annotaiton on URLs to know whether to attach the OOB tag or not?
  626. jonasw on desktop, there’s no such thing as "sharing" a link or medium, so we can’t know whether a link is supposed to be displayed inline or not
  627. jonasw just annotating all link-only posts makes conversations and dino show it as a shared file instead of a shared link (for non-image content)
  628. Zash What are you asking?
  629. jonasw "who is at fault" maybe
  630. jonasw currently, jabbercat annotates all URL-only messages with <{oob}x/>
  631. Zash That seems wrong
  632. jonasw this is confusing because conversations and dino display it as "Open File" instead of the bare link for HTML
  633. Zash I think you want provide a way for the user to show their intent. Just pasting a link should be just a link.
  634. jonasw hm
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  636. jonasw my intent is, whenever I paste an image, I want it inline
  637. jonasw or video
  638. jonasw or audio
  639. Zash /embed example.jpg
  640. Link Mauve This whole shared/not shared link is pretty dumb in the first place, imo.
  641. jonasw too complicated
  642. jonasw Link Mauve, I agree
  643. jonasw I think we should just ignore the oob thing and treat all links equally
  644. jonasw (which is what jabbercat does)
  645. Link Mauve I once started a Prosody module which a receiving client could ask for “what is this link?”, and get back what to do with it, without compromising the user’s IP.
  646. Link Mauve jonasw, that’s what we do in poezio too.
  647. Link Mauve Converse also does that.
  648. jonasw Link Mauve, ah, I want to write such a thing too
  649. Link Mauve I’m still unsure what the consequences may be for the server and for privacy.
  650. jonasw yeah, tricky
  651. Link Mauve Like, if you get an answer quickly it may mean someone else on this server asked for this URL recently.
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  654. jonasw also in encrypted conversations you can’t really do that
  655. Link Mauve Of course you can, if you do trust your server for instance.
  656. Link Mauve Even if I were to use some e2ee, I still trust my server and my client equally, so it wouldn’t be an issue.
  657. Link Mauve Heck, I would even be fine with a Prosody implementation of e2ee. :D
  658. jonasw if you do trust your server, why are you using e2ee?
  659. Zash Why do people keep asking for e2ee?
  660. Link Mauve jonasw, because people seem to absolutely mandate it, or something.
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  662. jonasw I want a thing which terminates OMEMO on my server, actually.
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  664. jonasw that’s even better than trying to block it
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  667. jonasw can somebody do that pls
  668. Zash Like ye ol' mod_otr for ejabberd :)
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  670. jonasw Link Mauve, I intended to use the URL lookup feature I built into my XMPP bot over at xmpp@. Make it a separate process, possibly even on a separate machine (reached via XMPP), very simple XML format to let the client request arbitrary URLs from the service. Like this just over XMPP: https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/102
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  673. Link Mauve Why in a separate process, rather than using Prosody’s async stuff?
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  676. jonasw isolation
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  678. jonasw don’t want to take the server process down due to some html parsing gone rwong
  679. Link Mauve That should hopefully not happen.
  680. jonasw better safe than s orry
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  682. jonasw isolating this in another process doesn’t hurt
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  685. Zash component!
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  687. jonasw yeah
  688. jonasw or mod_client_proxy :)
  689. jonasw well, which is a component
  690. Zash or bot
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  692. jonasw hm, if I gave foorl some rate-limiting and an IQ interface, I could try doing that now-ish
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  782. edhelas so Slack is buing Stride and Hipchat
  783. edhelas https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/26/atlassians-hipchat-and-stride-to-be-discontinued-with-slack-buying-up-the-ip/
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  799. Guus I wonder if that affects Jitsi
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  804. moparisthebest I thought jitsi was atlassian?
  805. moparisthebest I can't keep up with it
  806. Guus It is
  807. moparisthebest Oh didn't notice hipchat was atlassian too
  808. Guus Right
  809. moparisthebest They want us to trial Microsoft teams at work
  810. moparisthebest I showed them inverse.chat and such but I guess it's not cool enough
  811. moparisthebest I suppose everything changing weekly will somehow be better
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  821. Andrew Nenakhov jonasw, btw we chose different approach to share files and use xep-0221 instead of 0066.
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  829. Ge0rG https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17620543 what a heated discussion
  830. Ge0rG Where are the xmpp trolls? 😁
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  832. Andrew Nenakhov Busy working on creating an xmpp based slack alternative. :-D
  833. Ge0rG I've been in an org recently who want to do agile and don't know what slack is
  834. Andrew Nenakhov To better understand what's good in it I tried to make part of my company use Slack.
  835. Andrew Nenakhov It never caught on.
  836. Andrew Nenakhov Despite explicit orders to use it for communication.
  837. Andrew Nenakhov Thing is we had a decent corporate xmpp server and all managers and designers didn't want to switch so they just found ways to still use jabber.
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