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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[01:34:03] <404.city> Hello everybody. XMPP uses XML. You can create sites on XML. There are tools for storing PubSUb pages. Why give each user create their own small personal pages in XML? XMPP clients can be in the browser role. It's just an idea, I think it's already discussed here. I'm just interested in the opinion of experts.
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[03:08:24] <SamWhited> Browsers already exist and are popular, why reinvent the wheel andrequire all that extra complexity in IM clients?
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[03:08:45] <SamWhited> Also, most sites are HTML which is not valid XML.
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[03:13:59] <Zash> Also, doesn't that exist already, eg in the various microblogging implementations?
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[07:57:53] <MattJ> The XSF IPR policy says the XSF takes ownership upon submission of a XEP proposal
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[07:58:36] <MattJ> https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/lop.html#appendix-legal has a non-XSF copyright notice, which leads to questions
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[08:18:13] <Link Mauve> Ugh, why is XEP-0323 defining its own rules for time instead of reusing XEP-0082? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0323.html#timezones
[08:18:50] <Link Mauve> I found a bug in slixmpp due to timezones being allowed to be left undefined.
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[08:37:17] <flow> Link Mauve, the waher XEPs are very bad at reusing existing building blocks
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[08:37:46] <Link Mauve> Yeah I know.
[08:38:31] <Link Mauve> And now we have slixmpp (and most likely SleekXMPP too) rejecting a date with a timezone altogether…
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