XSF Discussion - 2018-08-07


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  147. flow What is the rationle behind having xep368 throwing xmpp and xmpps SRV RRs into the same bucket anyway?
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  187. edhelas would it be possible to tune RSM to be able to retrieve content simply using page number and count ?
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  189. jonasw edhelas, by rewriting it to be something completely different, yeah
  190. jonasw (not saying that this wouldn’t be useful in some cases)
  191. jonasw hm
  192. jonasw edhelas, or, if a service offers this, it could have a query mode where <after/> and <before/> refer to indices instead of keys
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  194. jonasw actually nevermind
  195. jonasw edhelas, what is wrong with: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#jump
  196. jonasw that should be doing exactly what you want
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  198. jonasw multiply page size with number of page you want and you’re good to go
  199. jonasw multiply page size with number of page you want to calculate the index and you’re good to go
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  211. flow jonasw, what if a service choose to user a smaller page size as requested?
  212. flow or is the page size locked in at size point?
  213. jonasw flow, you can then request more pages until you’ve got the amount of items you want
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  215. jonasw imagine a web view with a simple page number pagination
  216. jonasw if the user chooses 100 items per page, but the service only provides 20, you simply have to fire 5 queries to fill the view page
  217. jonasw so first RSM query woudl be with index=100*pagenumber, the subsequent four would be with <after/> based on the results of the respective previous query
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  228. Holger Index support is optional though (and typically expensive).
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  231. jonasw yupp
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  236. edhelas jonasw "simply have to query", well it's not that simple
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  239. edhelas this means that you kinda have to cache the items while their coming, be sure that no new items came in between
  240. edhelas having everything ready to handle the append of items, update the previous/next button to ensure that you can navigate to the other pages
  241. edhelas and also you never know in advance what the server config is, so I cannot "prepare" my UI to request 25 items, the server can return 15 and I have to change my plans
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  245. flow edhelas, why not prepare the UI once you know how many items the page yielded?
  246. flow after all, the query itself could fail too
  247. edhelas so each time a user request a page, I need a first round to check then request the articles :)
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  252. flow edhelas, I was thinking more of: user action causes a new page request, issue the query, gather results, prepare UI
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  552. edhelas flow I have to see how I can refactor my flow to handle that more properly indeed
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  554. edhelas also I have to check how XMPP servers are handling that, ejabberd had RSM bugs a few months ago still, and I don't know how if Prosody and the others are implementing RSM
  555. edhelas a nice compliance test would also be really awesome to build
  556. jonasw the aioxmpp test suite starts to become something like that
  557. edhelas publish 100 items, request them in many different way to see if they are consistant
  558. Ge0rG publish a message archive, join a MIX, check if history replay works
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  732. edhelas disco items for a pubsub node with RSM, what do you think about it ?
  733. edhelas or for any services basically
  734. jonasw edhelas, isn’t that even a suggestion in XEP-0059?
  735. jonasw makes sense to have
  736. edhelas then ordering is also important
  737. edhelas I'd like to ensure for Pubsub to disco the items based on the most recent first
  738. edhelas (then I don't have to resolve the payload each time)
  739. jonasw define most recent
  740. jonasw most rcent isn’t a suitable key for RSM
  741. edhelas well based of the "recent" definition in 0060 :p
  742. edhelas https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve-requestrecent
  743. jonasw an RSM key (for use with <before/> and <after/>) must be an immutable property of the items which are enumerated
  744. jonasw edhelas, eh, that’s for a node, not for a service
  745. edhelas yes but the disco#items of a pubsub node should behave the same as a service afaik
  746. edhelas or we have to specify that for a service it behave in a specific manner, alphabetically for example
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  749. edhelas but the XMPP server need to order by something before doing the limit/offset (for a SQL database)
  750. edhelas and this need to be consistent between the XMPP servers, if not I can't rely on using disco#items with RSM in my client
  751. edhelas (except by requesting everything and order the result locally…)
  752. jonasw that’s what you have to do anyways
  753. jonasw because in very few cases your users will want to sort by the name (as in, the @node value, not the @name) of the node
  754. edhelas pubsub nodes can have hundreds of items, conference services thousands of rooms
  755. jonasw yes
  756. jonasw and sorting with RSM can only happen by primary keys
  757. edhelas and the info is actually available on the xmpp server to sort a bit the things
  758. jonasw (or unique, immutable keys at least)
  759. jonasw or it is going to be rather expensive
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