XSF Discussion - 2018-08-15


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  249. vanitasvitae Oh hey, now there is an XMPP Mastodon account :D
  250. vanitasvitae https://mastodon.social/@xmpp
  251. Link Mauve vanitasvitae, that’s 404.city’s personal account it seems.
  252. vanitasvitae Yes it is
  253. vanitasvitae Just want to point out that there is still no official XMPP mastodon account :(
  254. edhelas What will be the "official one", you can create an official account on several servers. Should we have to deploy our own instance?
  255. Link Mauve vanitasvitae, you mean an XSF account?
  256. Link Mauve You can suggest that to the comm team.
  257. Link Mauve See commteam@muc.xmpp.org (xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join).
  258. Dave Cridland For your amusement, Laura told me I could share this with everyone: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TefnTzRMrZJ3QoYiqci222SHzgFDy_Yd
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  261. Link Mauve Dave Cridland, we can’t access it (without a Google account maybe?).
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  264. Dave Cridland Link Mauve, Ooops! Default sharing rules are silly. Fixed.
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  266. Link Mauve D’aww !
  267. flow cute :)
  268. Seve Haha, lovely!
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  270. edhelas cute :3
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  272. vanitasvitae Link Mauve: strange, conversations added the muc as a contact :D manually joining the muc worked though
  273. Link Mauve vanitasvitae, you mean it doesn’t understand ?join as targetting a MUC? :/
  274. vanitasvitae Looks like it
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  276. vanitasvitae Maybe becuase of tue parenthesis?
  277. Link Mauve Uh, there are no parentheses here.
  278. Link Mauve Not in my message anyway.
  279. Link Mauve Maybe the dot after the link?
  280. vanitasvitae > See commteam@muc.xmpp.org (xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join). I mean the link is in parentheses
  281. Link Mauve Some clients (like poezio) display XHTML-IM links like that, when the content doesn’t match the URL.
  282. Link Mauve Other ones prefer to put the URL in a status bar on hover, like web browsers.
  283. Link Mauve I don’t know how Conversations does it.
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  612. Ge0rG If you store a MUC PM for later transmission, and rejoin the MUC, is it a good idea to deliver the PM even if you have no way to check whether the participant is the same person as before?
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  643. pep. I would question storing the PM in the first place if not (instead of returning an error). Also, I'd prefer not to tbh. Unless you see realjids, but that might not be the case anymore when you get back to the room
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  651. MattJ Yeah, seems like you should just fail on that one
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  672. Ge0rG But in 99.9% of cases it's the same person!
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  674. Zash What if they leave and someone else enter with the same nickname just as you press Send?
  675. Ge0rG Yes, you can't be sure! There are always race conditions!
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  678. Ge0rG So I can store and send out as well, for better usability.
  679. Ge0rG Make XMPP Not Lose Messages Again
  680. edhelas is it possible to mute a user in a MUC ?
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  682. Zash Hm, perhaps the server could prevent direct reuse of nicknames too quickly after someone leaves
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  684. MattJ Just in the Prosody MUC today someone joined via the webchat and then left and rejoined from their client using their actual account
  685. MattJ What would have happened in that case?
  686. Zash Borked
  687. Zash wait, conflict, try a gain in a moment
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  693. Zash MattJ: Hm, also if they reconnect with to the web chat...
  694. Zash Tho in cases where the MUC knows about anonymous auth, maybe it can be more lenient
  695. lovetox edhelas, yes with privacy lists
  696. lovetox Gajim allows blocking users in MUCs
  697. edhelas no I mean more admins that are allowing users to stay but cannot talk to anyone
  698. lovetox yes set channel to moderate
  699. lovetox and give people voice
  700. MattJ Yes, if the room is moderated and their role is set to visitor
  701. edhelas oh nice :)
  702. edhelas thanks
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  704. dos hmm... is there a way for transport to send something like an outgoing carbon? (so if you send a message natively on a foreign network, XMPP client shows it too?)
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  706. Ge0rG dos: this was discussed recently. Sent carbons MUST come from your bare JID for security reasons. IIRC we had an idea for a workaround on standards@
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