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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[11:22:06] <flow> SamWhited, wouldn't it be better if the client could optionally send its aggregate token when requesting his roster via xep366 (the client request in example 3), instead of sending each and every roster item and its xep366 version? Assuming that the roster doesn't usually change between logins
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[12:41:46] <SamWhited> I really should rework that xep. I feel like there was a reason for that particular thing, but I'm too tired to remember it right now
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[13:13:46] <nyco> test
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[13:24:50] <Guus> nyco, what client are you using? It surprises me that you need to 'test' most of the time.
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[13:25:04] <Guus> XMPP aught to be more reliable 🙂
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[13:25:44] <nyco> it's not
[13:26:03] <nyco> I use doubtful software ;-)
[13:26:14] <nyco> in doubtful version
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[13:26:43] <nyco> are we having the meeting?
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[13:27:55] <MattJ> Hey
[13:28:39] <Guus> sure
[13:28:43] <Guus> hi Matt
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[13:30:08] <nyco> time
[13:30:54] <Guus> ralphm, you here?
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[13:31:22] <Guus> Martin, not the Martin that's usually here these days, here?
[13:32:12] <MattJ> I guess it's just us
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[13:32:27] <Guus> nyco, do you want to do the honours?
[13:33:05] <nyco> what are the honours?
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[13:33:27] <Guus> lead the meeting 🙂
[13:33:30] <nyco> sure
[13:33:33] *nyco sonne la cloche
[13:33:37] <nyco> does it work? 😉
[13:33:40] <nyco> agenda
[13:33:40] <Guus> auch... :_
[13:33:44] <nyco> hehehe
[13:33:59] <nyco> we have no topic for decision
[13:34:14] <nyco> Draft a membership survey on priorities.
[13:34:25] <nyco> Create plan for online shop selling XSF swag
[13:34:32] <nyco> Collect information on the role and responsibilities of the executive officer.
[13:34:40] <nyco> Fundraising and financing
[13:34:47] <nyco> Search for a Executive Director replacement
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[13:35:03] <nyco> these are in the trello board, which ones do we want/need to discuss?
[13:35:40] <MattJ> Let's tackle them one at a time
[13:35:53] <nyco> then all 5 for today? sure
[13:35:59] <Link Mauve> There is also one PR which needs board approval, fyi: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/695
[13:36:01] <MattJ> The survey is done, though not officially reviewed
[13:36:06] <Link Mauve> Nothing pressing though.
[13:36:11] <nyco> who's the minute taker? MattJ? Guus? anyone?
[13:36:31] <MattJ> My laptop froze so I'm currently on my phone
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[13:36:53] <Guus> I shall minute
[13:36:57] <nyco> thx
[13:37:05] <nyco> 1. Draft a membership survey on priorities.

[13:37:26] <nyco> the survey has run, we have the results
[13:37:49] <nyco> no shared analysis afaik, we should discuss and make a plan?
[13:38:38] <Guus> well, we did this to find out what our priorities were going to be, right?
[13:38:43] <MattJ> Right
[13:38:55] <MattJ> It's a bit late for that this year I think, though hopefully the next board will find it useful
[13:39:00] <nyco> that's also what I understand
[13:39:08] <Guus> our tenure is almost over - so maybe we should aim to gather what priorities next board could set 🙂
[13:39:25] <MattJ> Sure, I think we can still act on the data in other ways we see fit
[13:39:25] <nyco> next board to be elected on November, we may be able to produce some work for them though
[13:39:57] <Guus> MattJ, sure.
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[13:40:20] <Guus> I must admit i've not looked at this further.
[13:40:28] <nyco> so we draft a proposed set of prios for the next board?
[13:40:39] <Guus> I think we should condense the findings, and come up with a handful of proposed priorities?
[13:40:40] <MattJ> Could work, yes
[13:40:45] <nyco> I believe there is no big surprise
[13:40:58] <nyco> ok, who's taking the task?
[13:41:32] <Guus> as you were unsurprised, you? 🙂
[13:42:00] <nyco> most of the things in the survey have been quite discussed
[13:42:12] <nyco> created the card, please review: https://trello.com/c/Al4GHsYy/311-proposed-prios-for-the-2018-2019-board-based-on-survey
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[13:43:13] <nyco> ok, I take it
[13:43:20] <MattJ> lgtm, thanks
[13:43:37] <nyco> 2. Create plan for online shop selling XSF swag

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[13:44:10] <nyco> I understand there is no online shop that fully satisfies us
[13:44:23] <nyco> we still wish to sell online with minimal effort
[13:44:35] <nyco> the markup is of concern
[13:44:46] <Guus> although I'm still not opposed to this, I'm starting to wonder if it's more trouble than its worth.
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[13:44:51] <nyco> as well as the fact that those platforms are fully proprietary
[13:45:03] <nyco> I share the feeling
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[13:45:39] <nyco> my "pro" is the ease of setup: just upload a logo, and boom you got mugs for sale
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[13:46:12] <nyco> there is still a need for T-shorts, polo, sweaters for FOSDEM and the likes
[13:46:25] <Guus> SCAM takes care of those
[13:46:27] <nyco> there is still a need for T-shirts, polos, sweaters for FOSDEM and the likes
[13:46:31] <nyco> yes
[13:46:48] <MattJ> We had an offer from... was it Martin? For assistance with this too
[13:46:59] <Guus> Martin has been awol for quite a while
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[13:47:13] <MattJ> It was muppeth
[13:47:34] <MattJ> I meant non-XSF Martin :) (but I was wrong anyway)
[13:47:46] <MattJ> Just knew it was m*
[13:47:52] <Guus> eh?
[13:47:54] <Guus> you lost me
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[13:48:15] <Guus> thank you !XSF_Martin 🙂
[13:48:15] <MattJ> <muppeth>  nyco: about swag. I started a project called aptgetshirt.com while back where we produce (print) shirts and donate 50% of profit to proje
cts. We use water based inks and fair trade (organic) garment as oppose to slave labor zazzle and alike. We thought of running xmpp shirt campaign somewhere around november,
since you guys are looking for something we could work together on that. We also start slowly with stickers too.
[13:48:20] <nyco> his completion got the wrong nick
[13:48:22] <MattJ> From a meeting some weeks back
[13:48:37] <nyco> ooooh right, I forgot
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[13:49:00] <Guus> either we move on this, or we don't
[13:49:06] <Guus> but lets make up our minds, at least for now.
[13:49:15] <nyco> we could have more info, to take a decision on
[13:49:50] <Guus> That'll drag on. I motion that we abandon the effort to create an online shop for now, until someone comes up with a clear plan that we can vote on directly.
[13:50:17] <nyco> why not, we can ask muppeth?
[13:51:02] <Guus> we've been at this since April. It is unlikely that things progress, at least not in the context of Board.
[13:52:08] <MattJ> I'm fine either way
[13:52:16] <Guus> +1 or -1 guys.
[13:52:22] <MattJ> To what exactly?
[13:52:30] <Guus> I motion that we abandon the effort to create an online shop for now, until someone comes up with a clear plan that we can vote on directly.
[13:52:30] <MattJ> Oh, sorry
[13:52:46] <nyco> +1
[13:52:51] <MattJ> Well, +1... but I thought that's kinda where we were at anyway :)
[13:53:14] <nyco> so, we reach the middle of the agenda, but it is already 53...
[13:53:18] <nyco> should we stop here?
[13:53:59] <Guus> I can't stay much longer than 16:00
[13:54:13] <nyco> so, AOB?
[13:54:17] <MattJ> None here
[13:54:29] <Guus> not from me
[13:54:36] <nyco> Time / date of next meeting?
[13:54:39] <nyco> +1W
[13:54:41] <nyco> +1
[13:54:42] <Guus> wfm
[13:54:59] <MattJ> wfm
[13:55:00] *nyco sonne la cloche
[13:55:04] <nyco> 😉
[13:55:07] <nyco> thx! 😉
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[13:55:28] <Guus> gsynk yoou!
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[13:55:40] <Guus> ooh, lefthandshiftleft.
[13:55:48] <Guus> thank you
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[14:07:52] <ralphm> Sorry, I was dragged into a work meeting
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[14:08:34] <ralphm> Thanks nyco
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[14:43:57] <peter> hi
[14:44:19] <MattJ> Hi peter
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[14:44:25] <peter> It seems that /var/ on atlas (mail server) ran out of space. Jonathan Siegle and I are cleaning things up.
[14:45:23] <peter> I noticed we have some large mailing list archives from 2002-2004 for a cvslog@ list that was used by
JabberStudio: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/cvslog/ Although they might be of historical interest, I suggest that we delete the
archives.
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[14:46:14] <peter> BTW, as a result of /var/ running out of space, mail hasn't been delivered for some undefined period of time.
[14:46:20] <MattJ> Do we still have the CVS somewhere?
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[14:46:28] <peter> I kind of doubt that we do.
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[14:47:09] <peter> I don't know which machine was running JabberStudio CVS - the machine is probably long gone. :-)
[14:48:42] <MattJ> I doubt it would hold that much for us, just sometimes I like to go digging for historical artefacts :)
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[14:49:22] <MattJ> Oh, I see, it was for all jabberstudio projects... fun
[14:50:07] <peter> yeah
[14:50:17] <peter> Let's not kill these off unless we have to.
[14:50:36] <peter> I like the historical stuff, and it can be useful for patent defense purposes at times.
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[14:51:32] <MattJ> How large is it?
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[14:54:23] <peter> Not huge - 300MB?? Maybe /var/ needs to be expanded. And we had various logs which could be deleted (e.g., apache and we're not using that anymore) so I think we're good for now.
[14:57:32] <Zash> Back it up somewhere?
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[14:58:35] <ralphm> (this seams like a discussion for iteam@)
[14:58:38] <ralphm> seems
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[15:01:24] <peter> Yes, I raised it in that room. Removing list archives and lists is something I've always checked with the membership about.
[15:01:49] <ralphm> good point
[15:02:08] <peter> Anyway, I think we can defer this decision.
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[15:02:36] <ralphm> I don't like deleting stuff. It is a problem.
[15:02:45] <ralphm> (Hi, I'm ralphm)
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[15:05:44] <peter> I'm deleting some apache2 logs though. Justifying it through GDRP. ;-)
[15:06:14] *peter goes back to his W3C meeting in progress
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[15:07:41] <ralphm> hahah
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[15:11:59] <MattJ> Ha, Jogger
[15:12:07] <peter> nice :)
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[19:48:53] <vanitasvitae> Is planet.jabber.org having a bug? I'm constantly receiving my GSoC posts as updates :/
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