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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[09:51:16] <edhelas> can we add Firebase as one of the tools that is using XMPP ? https://firebase.google.com/docs/cloud-messaging/xmpp-server-ref
[09:51:25] <edhelas> on the main website
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[16:24:58] <Alex> Memberbot is online for Q3-2018 elections
[16:25:51] <Link Mauve> Oh, Sonny didn’t reapply. :(
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[16:48:28] <jonasw> there should be a way to abort voting :D
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[16:53:29] <Seve/SouL> You can, at the very beginning :D
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[17:00:08] <jonasw> yeah but…
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[17:01:11] <Link Mauve> Damn, I didn’t submit my changes to memberbot yet!
[17:01:17] *Seve/SouL pats jonasw. -Yes, I know.
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[17:45:01] <jonasw> Link Mauve, at least you managed to submit your application this time :-)
[17:45:46] <Link Mauve> Yes!
[17:46:02] <Link Mauve> I surprised myself two days ago by simply doing it. :-°
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[17:47:10] <Alex> maybe somebody should work on the application bot
[17:47:32] <Link Mauve> Would you accept a PR migrating it to python3 and slixmpp?
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[17:48:11] <jonasw> Alex, how is the ordering of applicants during voting determined?
[17:48:16] <jonasw> ah, nevermind
[17:48:18] <jonasw> Link Mauve will fix it probably
[17:48:22] <jonasw> Link Mauve, make them sorted alphabetically
[17:48:32] <Link Mauve> No, it’s better to have them randomised.
[17:48:36] <jonasw> is it?
[17:48:39] <jonasw> it’s annoying
[17:48:41] <Link Mauve> Yes.
[17:48:48] <Alex> jonasw: getting randomized
[17:48:58] <jonasw> but alas, there’s a rationale for that apparently
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[17:49:11] <jonasw> I sorted the applicants on the wiki page tohugh, I hope that’s okay
[17:49:18] <jonasw> makes it easier to find the one I want to look at
[17:49:19] <Link Mauve> It’s in order to prevent anyone from being favourised by being first or last in the list.
[17:49:38] <Alex> this was changed ages ago on requests for board and council meetings, where you have less votes than applicants, to give t hem all the same chance
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[17:50:09] <Link Mauve> I’d expect like in most similar voting processes, voters are more attentive at first, and more tired at the end.
[17:50:14] <Link Mauve> tired/bored.
[17:50:29] <jonasw> makes sense
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[17:50:38] <Alex> but I agree, for teh quarterly votes for applicants there should be no need to randomize
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[17:50:58] <Link Mauve> For the reason I just gave, I think it’s better to keep that.
[17:50:58] <jonasw> hm, maybe especially there?
[17:51:29] <Alex> ya
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[17:52:41] <jonasw> voted \o/
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[17:54:35] <Alex> (Y)
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[18:08:45] <mathieui> yeah, congratulations Link Mauve for managing to submit your application on time
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[18:18:05] <Kev> I'm not sure it's even true that for member votes you don't need to randomise.
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[18:19:05] <Link Mauve> Yes, as I explained above.
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[18:31:32] <Lance> Unless Alex has his own fork, here's the source for the bot if you want to improve it: https://github.com/legastero/memberbot
[18:31:44] <Lance> Should probably fork it anyway into the xsf org
[18:31:50] <Link Mauve> Yup, that’s what I built on.
[18:32:28] <Link Mauve> And here are my changes: https://github.com/linkmauve/memberbot
[18:32:39] <Lance> I quite literally made the new bot because I lost a Council bid by a few votes; I'm sure because I was #6 on the list :p
[18:32:49] <Link Mauve> Don’t pull the Redis one, it was just for testing because I didn’t want to have to setup Redis.
[18:32:57] <Link Mauve> Lance, :D
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[19:49:33] <Seve> I haven't voted yet
[19:49:53] <Seve> Does the bot send you the applicants in alphabetical order?
[19:50:00] <jonasw> no
[19:50:05] <jonasw> in shuffled order
[19:50:13] <Seve> Or why did you modify the wiki, then?
[19:50:28] <jonasw> you can at least quickly find a name if a list is sorted alphabetically
[19:50:28] <Seve> Or was any reasoning behind the order, before?
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[19:50:34] <jonasw> not that I knew
[19:50:58] <jonasw> (also, when I did the sorting, I didn’t know that the bot wasn’t offering me names in alphabetical order because the first name asked for was the first one by alphabetical order :))
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[19:54:51] <Seve> I was just curious :D
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[21:39:53] <pep.> memberbot is not up? Or not in my contacts anymore?
[21:40:54] <pep.> Ah, works now
[21:43:53] <js> Memberbot hasn't been working for me the last 2 iterations :/
[21:44:21] <js> I see it only - it just never responds. Already sent a mail to Alexander, nothing :/
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