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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:24:49] <Seve> Listen to how XMPP is pronounced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz0yDNwEydU&feature=youtu.be&t=495
It's like a message from God! :D
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[09:36:28] <edhelas> èxèmpaÿpeÿ
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[14:52:44] <jjrh> In regards to the list message "staleness of devices" When we are talking about 'messages' are we referring to stanza's, or specifically the <message/> stanza?
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[15:02:58] <jonasw> given that it’s omemo, we’re probably referring to OMEMO messages
[15:03:04] <jonasw> vanitasvitae, ^
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[15:07:11] <vanitasvitae> jjrh: an OMEMO <encrypted/> element
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[15:07:41] <vanitasvitae> Which is encrypted for our device
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[15:08:18] <jjrh> Ah okay thanks for the clarification.
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[15:09:16] <vanitasvitae> jjrh: :)
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[18:36:34] <lovetox> jdev seems down
[18:36:40] <lovetox> flow: 3.2 Verification of <openpgp/> Content
Recipients MUST verify that the signature is valid, that the signature's key corresponds to the sender's key,
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[18:37:18] <jonasw> seems up to me, lovetox
[18:37:40] <lovetox> can we relax this a little bit
[18:38:01] <lovetox> if a contact writes me offline messages, and i dont have the keys yet
[18:38:21] <jonasw> then you have to wait until you have the keys, no?
[18:38:23] <lovetox> this would mean caching all messages for later decryption IF i get the public key
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[18:38:28] <jonasw> signature validation sounds kinda important.
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[18:39:07] <lovetox> yes, but it doesnt has to be made instantly
[18:39:14] <lovetox> especially not on first contact
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[18:39:46] <lovetox> i dont know how omemo does that, but i can read offline messages also without querying keys from the contact first
[18:40:26] <lovetox> especially with other rules in the XEP like "blind trust on first contact" which seem to try and make this as easy and painless as possible
[18:40:26] <jonasw> you can’t be sure those aren’t spoofed though
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[18:41:41] <lovetox> we are talking about first contact, if a attacker is a man in the middle, he can supply all the data he wants, it does not help me to query keys
[18:42:15] <lovetox> signature verification makes only sense, if i verified that a fingerprint belongs truly to my contact
[18:42:23] <jonasw> but if it’s an offline message, it’s unclear whether the attacker *still* has the power
[18:42:32] <jonasw> it might be that they hijacked a device and were able to send a spoofed message
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[18:42:36] <!XSF_Martin> Why not mark the message as 'unverified'
[18:42:39] <jonasw> but that access to the account was revoked?
[18:43:06] <jonasw> lovetox, the contact also might have untrusted devices which intentionally do not have access to the GPG keys and are not used to send or receive GPG messages
[18:43:33] <jonasw> hmm. but those devices could publish forged keys, so nevermind
[18:43:55] <lovetox> !XSF_Martin, not allowed by the XEP
[18:44:20] <lovetox> im not arguing that there cant be a case found where this rule would help to migitate a attack
[18:44:29] <lovetox> the question is, is it worth the hassle
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[18:44:59] <lovetox> it does not help against man in the middle which is the biggest risk, we blind trust all keys, this alone is a HUGE risk
[18:45:16] <jonasw> it boils down to: (a) who controls which keys are considered valid vs. who is able to send a message with this sender? and (b) why sign when verification is optional?
[18:45:22] <lovetox> so why beeing so strict on this thing that does certainly not add a new big risk
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[18:45:42] <lovetox> jonasw, im not saying verification should be optional
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[18:46:14] <jonasw> anyways, gotta run
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[18:46:24] <lovetox> just something like, on first contact we can display the messages until we received the key
[18:46:27] <lovetox> or something like that
[18:46:44] <lovetox> i mean i can do this anyway, this XEP MUST is useless because it cant be enforced
[18:47:23] <lovetox> it should be in the business rules or something, a suggestion with an exception or something like that
[18:47:45] <lovetox> always verify, except you hadnt time to receive the key or something
[18:48:24] <lovetox> what im saying, i will not implement this, its not worth the hassle to make the whole client async decrypt messages
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