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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[12:00:07] <edhelas> https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-19/
[12:00:40] <edhelas> funny thing is that Purism is in partnership with Matrix :)
[12:01:03] <jonasw> yeah, that’s probably why they’re using libpurple.
[12:01:08] <jonasw> make the xmpp stuff as awful as possible ;-)
[12:01:13] <jonasw> (not serious, obviously)
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[13:23:27] <nyco> board meeting, soon
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[13:31:34] <MattJ> .
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[13:32:09] <nyco> go?
[13:32:16] <Guus> o/
[13:32:26] <Guus> Ralphm, Martin?
[13:32:27] <nyco> we're, good enough
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[13:32:31] <nyco> 3
[13:32:52] <Guus> I'm kinda stressing to make a deadline
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[13:33:08] <nyco> sure, so we cancel, postpone?
[13:33:11] <Guus> let's call todays attendance 2.5 🙂
[13:33:26] <Guus> Oh, please continue
[13:33:26] <nyco> is 2.5 a quorum?
[13:33:36] <Guus> if we get three votes it is
[13:33:44] <MattJ> I'm good
[13:33:45] <nyco> ;-)
[13:33:48] <MattJ> Let's go
[13:33:53] <MattJ> 0) Role call
[13:34:01] <MattJ> Guus, nyco and myself
[13:34:07] <MattJ> Minutes... anyone?
[13:34:21] <MattJ> I'll do them
[13:34:25] <Guus> I'll wrt... ok 🙂
[13:34:28] <MattJ> 1) Agenda bashing
[13:34:36] <MattJ> Anyone with anything not on Trello?
[13:34:45] <nyco> board's prio, thx to survey
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[13:34:58] <MattJ> That's on Trello, I was just looking at it ;)
[13:35:03] <nyco> yep
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[13:35:18] <nyco> https://trello.com/c/Al4GHsYy/311-proposed-prios-for-the-2018-2019-board-based-on-survey
[13:35:31] <MattJ> 2) Topics for decisions: Proposed priorities for the 2018-19 board
[13:35:58] <MattJ> I've not finished reading or ingesting the proposals yet
[13:36:33] <MattJ> So I propose we all take a look at them and discuss on Trello/list/next week and make whatever decisions we need to make, if any
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[13:36:55] <nyco> seems like we're good on protocol, and we can stay neutral on software
[13:37:06] <nyco> +1
[13:37:07] <Guus> Nyco mentioned he prepared for this, but I've not read it yet
[13:37:10] <Guus> oh, that's that link
[13:37:36] <Guus> eh, yeah, let's give Ralph and Martin time to look at that too
[13:37:43] <Guus> nyco, maybe share them on the board mailinglist?
[13:37:44] <MattJ> Ok, moving on
[13:37:48] <MattJ> +1 to that
[13:37:51] <nyco> ok
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[13:38:21] <MattJ> 3) Commitment for the week ahead (right...): Collect info on role of ED
[13:38:36] <MattJ> I think someone else needs to take this on, who isn't Martin
[13:38:47] <MattJ> I can bring it up on the list
[13:38:57] <Guus> ok.
[13:39:29] <MattJ> 4) Topics for discussion
[13:39:30] <Guus> i suspect some people may want to tie in the discussion I started with regards to longer tenure
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[13:39:51] <Guus> (nevermind, please go ahead)
[13:39:54] <MattJ> I see 3 items: finances and fundraising, ED replacement, change of board tenure
[13:40:16] <MattJ> I believe the first two are currently stalled on other things, with no updates
[13:40:23] <MattJ> Does anyone have anything they want to say about them?
[13:40:25] <Guus> I'm unsure of the state of the finance/fundraising with existing / old sponsors. I've not heard back from Peter, and neglected to follow up for a couple of weeks.
[13:40:52] <Guus> But I think we might want to include others than just Peter for following up with sponsors
[13:41:07] <MattJ> +1
[13:41:20] <MattJ> 4.1) Change of board tenure
[13:41:21] <Guus> I'll try to reach out and discuss this with him
[13:41:37] <MattJ> This has had some discussion on the lists, I haven't been through it all yet
[13:41:48] <Guus> board tenure: there was some discussion in the mailing list, of which I read only half (some kind of mail problem, I think)
[13:41:53] <MattJ> I'm not really sure of my thoughts on the matter yet
[13:42:02] <Kev> I think one question answers it.
[13:42:23] <MattJ> Kev, the question being?
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[13:42:40] <Kev> How often have we been in a position that someone was wanted to do more than one year, but the membership decided to replace the entire Board instead (and part two, if the membership decides it doesn't want any to stay on, is that a sign)?
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[13:43:19] <MattJ> Well, we can reflect on that and discuss next week
[13:43:36] <Guus> I like how you make one question have two parts. 🙂
[13:43:37] <Kev> My memory of votes is that the membership almost always votes in incumbents for Council/Board when they stand, and the issue with Board continuity is mostly people not wanting to do another year.
[13:43:49] <Kev> Guus: My use of English is, hopefully, unique.
[13:43:50] <Guus> I see a lot of overlap though
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[13:44:12] <Guus> only nyco and me are new this year, I think.
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[13:44:20] <nyco> nope! ;-)
[13:44:30] <Guus> only me is new this year?
[13:44:32] <MattJ> I can understand why people don't want to do multiple years, it's a frustrating thankless job in my honest opinion :)
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[13:45:01] <nyco> though I feel it frustrating as well, I don't think it is thankless
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[13:45:30] <Guus> I'm not arguing that we must have a two-year tenure, btw
[13:45:45] <MattJ> I think the best place to progress the discussion is on the list, where the conversation currently is (I'm assuming they are fixed now)
[13:45:49] <Guus> I'd primarily want to improve continuity
[13:45:58] <nyco> anyway, concretely, a longer tenure seems not possible in terms of org neither wishable by candidates, is my understand aligned?
[13:46:16] <Guus> I wouldn't mind doing two years, for what its worth
[13:46:20] <MattJ> It may be so
[13:46:34] <Guus> but there might be other options
[13:46:43] <Guus> to the list it is, as far as I'm concerned.
[13:46:49] <MattJ> Ok, agreed
[13:46:52] <MattJ> 5) AOB?
[13:47:06] <Guus> none here
[13:47:45] <MattJ> Ok
[13:47:52] <MattJ> 6) The End
[13:48:04] <nyco> thx all
[13:48:14] <MattJ> Assuming everyone is happy with +1w
[13:48:16] <Guus> +1w, rigth 🙂
[13:48:26] <Kev> Guus: FWIW, I'd be surprised if you stood and the Membership didn't elect you. Which is pretty much at the root of me thinking changing the bylaws on this isn't worthwhile.
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[13:49:30] <Guus> Kev, like I said, making tenure longer isn't my goal here. I've just noticed that things die down often, which is what I'd like to see change
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[13:49:51] <Kev> I suspect longer terms would have the opposite of the desired effect for that.
[13:49:57] <Guus> preventing boards from changing frequently is one way of doing that, I think, but there might be other ways
[13:50:09] <Kev> I think the election, standing again, etc., tends to add a little energy back into the system. IMO.
[13:50:38] <Guus> so we should have more elections then! 🙂
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[15:37:36] <jonasw> daniel, HSLuv looks interesting
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[15:45:30] <daniel> jonasw: looks to me like the right tool for the job. This is pretty much exactly what we want. And colors like nice by default
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[15:59:08] <jonasw> meh
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[16:00:11] <MattJ> This whole thing is so close to the literal definition of bike-shedding, it's scary
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[16:00:50] <Zash> Fun fact: Our bike sheds are not painted.
[16:01:04] <MattJ> Zash, because the committee is still deciding
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[16:01:54] <jonasw> good that the HSLuv documentation doesn’t say which range H is in.
[16:02:09] <jonasw> ugh.
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[16:03:59] <jonasw> daniel, did you compare HSLuv and HPLuv?
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[16:08:22] <daniel> jonasw: no
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[16:11:21] <jonasw> mmm negative RGB values. fancy.
[16:11:28] <jonasw> I hate that C implementation already.
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[16:14:23] <jonasw> MattJ, at least, there’s actual functional differences here. HSLuv looks better than YCbCr right away
[16:14:36] <jonasw> and there are libraries for the major languages
[16:14:39] <jonasw> which is also great
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[16:19:32] <jonasw> https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/GZ8ju7HjrP0t1SR3jMV8SQRK0amD8hB6zSiN_8GQOyk.png
[16:19:42] <jonasw> left: HPLuv, right: HSLuv
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[16:20:34] <jonasw> https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/400A0c9qHGa3fwYfPNT8K9ixOjsuFsLmEIX-WtU5s8A.png
left: XEP-0392, right: HSLuv
[16:21:07] <jonasw> the definition of the angle is obviously different
[16:21:10] <jonasw> but that doesn’t matter
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[16:23:08] <jonasw> HSLuv looks better to me
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[16:26:35] <MattJ> There seems more contrast in the XEP's colours
[16:26:42] <MattJ> (this is the first time I have seen any of them)
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[16:26:48] <jonasw> aren’t you using poezio? ;-)
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[16:27:09] <Link Mauve> An old version.
[16:27:11] <MattJ> Yes, from 2016 or so
[16:27:11] <Zash> The XEP ones seem to be more uniform in brightness
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[16:27:38] <MattJ> Zash, really? I thought the opposite...
[16:27:56] <MattJ> Colours :/
[16:28:19] <Zash> The ones in the middle of the right square look dark and grey and boring
[16:28:34] <Link Mauve> Except in the yellow tones, I also find the XEP ones more consistent.
[16:28:36] <jonasw> disclaimer: I’m not sure I’m gamma-ing those colours correctly
[16:28:49] <jonasw> also, your viewer may add or not add some gamma correction to this which makes things worse or better, I don’t know
[16:28:54] <Link Mauve> On my screen, the middle row is the same teal from left to right. ^^'
[16:29:01] <Zash> disclaimer: I've got a really cheap monitor, no way it's callibrated in any way whatsoever
[16:29:23] <Zash> Also running it in some extra-brightness mode becasue colors looked really crappy otherwise
[16:29:24] <Link Mauve> Actually the three rows at the middle are almost the same colour.
[16:29:46] <Link Mauve> jonasw, is your PNG ICC enabled?
[16:29:50] <jonasw> is what what?
[16:29:53] <jonasw> it’s generated with scrot
[16:30:08] <Link Mauve> I don’t know how that production chain does it.
[16:30:15] <jonasw> so the answer is most likely "no"
[16:30:28] <jonasw> also, I am just dumping some RGB QColor things onto the screen there
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[16:37:43] <Zash> oh right, the "standard" mode on my monitor makes black insanely bright for some reason
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