XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-08-30


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  372. edhelas https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-19/
  373. edhelas funny thing is that Purism is in partnership with Matrix :)
  374. jonasw yeah, that’s probably why they’re using libpurple.
  375. jonasw make the xmpp stuff as awful as possible ;-)
  376. jonasw (not serious, obviously)
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  433. nyco board meeting, soon
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  438. MattJ .
  439. nyco go?
  440. Guus o/
  441. Guus Ralphm, Martin?
  442. nyco we're, good enough
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  444. nyco 3
  445. Guus I'm kinda stressing to make a deadline
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  450. nyco sure, so we cancel, postpone?
  451. Guus let's call todays attendance 2.5 🙂
  452. Guus Oh, please continue
  453. nyco is 2.5 a quorum?
  454. Guus if we get three votes it is
  455. MattJ I'm good
  456. nyco ;-)
  457. MattJ Let's go
  458. MattJ 0) Role call
  459. MattJ Guus, nyco and myself
  460. MattJ Minutes... anyone?
  461. MattJ I'll do them
  462. Guus I'll wrt... ok 🙂
  463. MattJ 1) Agenda bashing
  464. MattJ Anyone with anything not on Trello?
  465. nyco board's prio, thx to survey
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  467. MattJ That's on Trello, I was just looking at it ;)
  468. nyco yep
  469. nyco https://trello.com/c/Al4GHsYy/311-proposed-prios-for-the-2018-2019-board-based-on-survey
  470. MattJ 2) Topics for decisions: Proposed priorities for the 2018-19 board
  471. MattJ I've not finished reading or ingesting the proposals yet
  472. MattJ So I propose we all take a look at them and discuss on Trello/list/next week and make whatever decisions we need to make, if any
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  474. nyco seems like we're good on protocol, and we can stay neutral on software
  475. nyco +1
  476. Guus Nyco mentioned he prepared for this, but I've not read it yet
  477. Guus oh, that's that link
  478. Guus eh, yeah, let's give Ralph and Martin time to look at that too
  479. Guus nyco, maybe share them on the board mailinglist?
  480. MattJ Ok, moving on
  481. MattJ +1 to that
  482. nyco ok
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  485. MattJ 3) Commitment for the week ahead (right...): Collect info on role of ED
  486. MattJ I think someone else needs to take this on, who isn't Martin
  487. MattJ I can bring it up on the list
  488. Guus ok.
  489. MattJ 4) Topics for discussion
  490. Guus i suspect some people may want to tie in the discussion I started with regards to longer tenure
  491. Guus (nevermind, please go ahead)
  492. MattJ I see 3 items: finances and fundraising, ED replacement, change of board tenure
  493. MattJ I believe the first two are currently stalled on other things, with no updates
  494. MattJ Does anyone have anything they want to say about them?
  495. Guus I'm unsure of the state of the finance/fundraising with existing / old sponsors. I've not heard back from Peter, and neglected to follow up for a couple of weeks.
  496. Guus But I think we might want to include others than just Peter for following up with sponsors
  497. MattJ +1
  498. MattJ 4.1) Change of board tenure
  499. Guus I'll try to reach out and discuss this with him
  500. MattJ This has had some discussion on the lists, I haven't been through it all yet
  501. Guus board tenure: there was some discussion in the mailing list, of which I read only half (some kind of mail problem, I think)
  502. MattJ I'm not really sure of my thoughts on the matter yet
  503. Kev I think one question answers it.
  504. MattJ Kev, the question being?
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  506. Kev How often have we been in a position that someone was wanted to do more than one year, but the membership decided to replace the entire Board instead (and part two, if the membership decides it doesn't want any to stay on, is that a sign)?
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  508. MattJ Well, we can reflect on that and discuss next week
  509. Guus I like how you make one question have two parts. 🙂
  510. Kev My memory of votes is that the membership almost always votes in incumbents for Council/Board when they stand, and the issue with Board continuity is mostly people not wanting to do another year.
  511. Kev Guus: My use of English is, hopefully, unique.
  512. Guus I see a lot of overlap though
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  515. Guus only nyco and me are new this year, I think.
  516. nyco nope! ;-)
  517. Guus only me is new this year?
  518. MattJ I can understand why people don't want to do multiple years, it's a frustrating thankless job in my honest opinion :)
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  521. nyco though I feel it frustrating as well, I don't think it is thankless
  522. Guus I'm not arguing that we must have a two-year tenure, btw
  523. MattJ I think the best place to progress the discussion is on the list, where the conversation currently is (I'm assuming they are fixed now)
  524. Guus I'd primarily want to improve continuity
  525. nyco anyway, concretely, a longer tenure seems not possible in terms of org neither wishable by candidates, is my understand aligned?
  526. Guus I wouldn't mind doing two years, for what its worth
  527. MattJ It may be so
  528. Guus but there might be other options
  529. Guus to the list it is, as far as I'm concerned.
  530. MattJ Ok, agreed
  531. MattJ 5) AOB?
  532. Guus none here
  533. MattJ Ok
  534. MattJ 6) The End
  535. nyco thx all
  536. MattJ Assuming everyone is happy with +1w
  537. Guus +1w, rigth 🙂
  538. Kev Guus: FWIW, I'd be surprised if you stood and the Membership didn't elect you. Which is pretty much at the root of me thinking changing the bylaws on this isn't worthwhile.
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  540. Guus Kev, like I said, making tenure longer isn't my goal here. I've just noticed that things die down often, which is what I'd like to see change
  541. Kev I suspect longer terms would have the opposite of the desired effect for that.
  542. Guus preventing boards from changing frequently is one way of doing that, I think, but there might be other ways
  543. Kev I think the election, standing again, etc., tends to add a little energy back into the system. IMO.
  544. Guus so we should have more elections then! 🙂
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  602. jonasw daniel, HSLuv looks interesting
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  613. daniel jonasw: looks to me like the right tool for the job. This is pretty much exactly what we want. And colors like nice by default
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  626. jonasw meh
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  629. MattJ This whole thing is so close to the literal definition of bike-shedding, it's scary
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  631. Zash Fun fact: Our bike sheds are not painted.
  632. MattJ Zash, because the committee is still deciding
  633. jonasw good that the HSLuv documentation doesn’t say which range H is in.
  634. jonasw ugh.
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  638. jonasw daniel, did you compare HSLuv and HPLuv?
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  644. daniel jonasw: no
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  648. jonasw mmm negative RGB values. fancy.
  649. jonasw I hate that C implementation already.
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  652. jonasw MattJ, at least, there’s actual functional differences here. HSLuv looks better than YCbCr right away
  653. jonasw and there are libraries for the major languages
  654. jonasw which is also great
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  657. jonasw https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/GZ8ju7HjrP0t1SR3jMV8SQRK0amD8hB6zSiN_8GQOyk.png
  658. jonasw left: HPLuv, right: HSLuv
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  660. jonasw https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/400A0c9qHGa3fwYfPNT8K9ixOjsuFsLmEIX-WtU5s8A.png left: XEP-0392, right: HSLuv
  661. jonasw the definition of the angle is obviously different
  662. jonasw but that doesn’t matter
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  666. jonasw HSLuv looks better to me
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  677. MattJ There seems more contrast in the XEP's colours
  678. MattJ (this is the first time I have seen any of them)
  679. jonasw aren’t you using poezio? ;-)
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  683. Link Mauve An old version.
  684. MattJ Yes, from 2016 or so
  685. Zash The XEP ones seem to be more uniform in brightness
  686. MattJ Zash, really? I thought the opposite...
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  688. MattJ Colours :/
  689. Zash The ones in the middle of the right square look dark and grey and boring
  690. Link Mauve Except in the yellow tones, I also find the XEP ones more consistent.
  691. jonasw disclaimer: I’m not sure I’m gamma-ing those colours correctly
  692. jonasw also, your viewer may add or not add some gamma correction to this which makes things worse or better, I don’t know
  693. Link Mauve On my screen, the middle row is the same teal from left to right. ^^'
  694. Zash disclaimer: I've got a really cheap monitor, no way it's callibrated in any way whatsoever
  695. Zash Also running it in some extra-brightness mode becasue colors looked really crappy otherwise
  696. Link Mauve Actually the three rows at the middle are almost the same colour.
  697. Link Mauve jonasw, is your PNG ICC enabled?
  698. jonasw is what what?
  699. jonasw it’s generated with scrot
  700. Link Mauve I don’t know how that production chain does it.
  701. jonasw so the answer is most likely "no"
  702. jonasw also, I am just dumping some RGB QColor things onto the screen there
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  705. Zash oh right, the "standard" mode on my monitor makes black insanely bright for some reason
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