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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:12:38] <edhelas> hi everyone, I'm planning to work on a new XEP that could greatly improve the use of Jingle into XMPP clients
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[06:16:30] <edhelas> it could be called Jingle Messaging or Jingle Call History, the idea would be to allow Jingle XMPP clients to send <messages> to the other party to notify it about events that happened on Jingle. I found 3 use cases: a <message> that said that you missed a call (with a <body> for uncompatible clients), another to say that you had a call of 2:54 min with the other contact and a voicemail (basically a <message> with a specific tag and an audio file attached to it).
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[06:18:00] <edhelas> That way those messages could be saved on MAM and all the clients could then have the history of all the calls that happened with the other contacts. I could also be notified on Conversations that someone tried to call me and then connect on Movim to make the call again (Conversations has then the role of a "pager").
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[07:54:59] <MattJ> edhelas, sounds interesting :)
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[08:04:32] <jonasw> edhelas, I wonder if the "missed call" case can already be covered by archiving Jingle requests?
[08:04:46] <jonasw> (those are <message/>s IIRC)
[08:05:01] <edhelas> ah maybe
[08:05:23] <jonasw> not sure if they contain enough information to discern "call" and "file transfer" and other jingle use cases though
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[09:53:16] <Link Mauve> edhelas, you mean https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0353.html
[09:53:32] <Link Mauve> Please adopt it instead of writing a new one.
[09:55:22] <edhelas> no this is not what I was talking about
[09:55:42] <edhelas> this is about dealing with someone that is online
[09:55:56] <edhelas> in my use cases the other party could be gone
[09:56:02] <Link Mauve> You will receive it from MAM once you are offline.
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[11:54:18] <edhelas> I see, it solves some of the cases
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[11:55:34] <edhelas> great
[11:55:41] <edhelas> is there clients that are implementing that ?
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[13:39:18] <jonasw> is support@404.city a spammer or actually the 404.city person?
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[14:23:22] <goffi> edhelas: not yet, but I'm planning to implement this one, it's really handy.
[14:24:17] <Link Mauve> edhelas, I have it implemented in my Rust library, but there is no working client yet.
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[14:36:58] <edhelas> ok :)
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[21:50:26] <moparisthebest> https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/400A0c9qHGa3fwYfPNT8K9ixOjsuFsLmEIX-WtU5s8A.png
> left: XEP-0392, right: HSLuv

[21:51:17] <moparisthebest> jonasw: left looks best to me of all 4, the other 3 are a lot darker and look like 1 color per row to me
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[21:52:19] <moparisthebest> Just FYI I'm a bit colorblind so take it with grain of salt, would like to see real life name coloring again :) (like names from this muc)
[21:53:18] <Zash> Name tags! IRL name tags for everyone!
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[22:09:10] <404.city> Server 404 https://compliance.conversations.im/server/404.city/ has disappeared from the list https://compliance.conversations.im
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[23:31:45] <lovetox> haha moparisthebest comedy your last sentence :D
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[23:32:31] <moparisthebest> lovetox: ?
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[23:36:55] <Zash> moparisthebest: You wanna see the algorithms applied to actual nicknames like the ones in this room?
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[23:52:58] <moparisthebest> Zash: yes
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[23:53:55] <moparisthebest> jonasw generated examples using real room names before, they turned out too similar for me
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