XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-09-04


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  361. edhelas Link Mauve do we have something like "public bookmarks" in XMPP ?
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  370. pep. Like a shared PEP node? I don't think there's any client support for that, nor spec, but you can already change the acces-model/publish-options of your storage:bookmarks node :x
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  425. edhelas XEP-xxxx: MUC Avatars, how much XEP do we need to handle avatars on XMPP ?
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  428. edhelas do I need to also create one to handle avatars on Pubsub nodes ?
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  431. edhelas this is again another flow to handle/update/notify avatars
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  470. MattJ edhelas, how close is what you do for pubsub nodes to what that XEP does for MUC?
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  498. edhelas I don't do avatars on Pubsub nodes for now because I didn't found a way to do it yet
  499. edhelas (also vcards)
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  503. edhelas maybe we can simply generalize that XEP, say that publication/retrieval is always done the same way (for JID, MUC JID and Pubsub Nodes) and the notification can be done through presences (for the JID), messages/presences for the MUC JID, and Pubsub healines for the Pubsub nodes
  504. edhelas then we have an unique and generic way to handle vcard and avatars publication/retrieval accross the XMPP network
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  508. MattJ Good luck
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  510. MattJ Pubsub nodes don't have PEP, is one problem
  511. edhelas yes
  512. edhelas and it's kind of hacked by putting those "pubsub pep nodes" next to eachother : MIX
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  520. Yagiza Hello!
  521. Yagiza Do we have a way to retrieve history from a transport?
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  523. MattJ Yes, XEP-0313 if the transport supports it
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  530. Yagiza MattJ, so, once my client discover that transport supports MAM, I can request an archive for any of my chats via that transport?
  531. flow Yagiza, that is how I would expect it to work
  532. MattJ Normal chats will typically be archived by your server already
  533. MattJ But group chats, yes, you will need to ask the transport
  534. Yagiza MattJ, normal chats could not be archived before I logged on the transport.
  535. MattJ True
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  540. Yagiza MattJ, so, what about requesting that parts of chat?
  541. MattJ It depends completely on the transport
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  572. Link Mauve “10:35:47 edhelas> XEP-xxxx: MUC Avatars, how much XEP do we need to handle avatars on XMPP ?”, this one is almost informational (I hesitated), it describes how to do 0153 on 0045.
  573. Link Mauve “10:36:07 edhelas> do I need to also create one to handle avatars on Pubsub nodes ?”, isn’t that 0084?
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  575. Link Mauve Ah, avatars for PubSub nodes*.
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  577. Yagiza MattJ, I mean the correct way to retrieve history. How client should act?
  578. MattJ I'm not aware of any transport providing this functionality, so I can't say
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  594. Yagiza MattJ, but if I develop a transport, I need to know if this functionality is valid for a transport, or not.
  595. Yagiza MattJ, I guess it must be specified implicitly.
  596. MattJ XEP-0313 defines a protocol for exchanging history between two XMPP entities
  597. MattJ Usually this is a user and their own server, or a user and a MUC room
  598. MattJ but a user and a transport is just fine too
  599. MattJ However clients won't currently do this, so you may want to add a XEP for that
  600. MattJ So the protocol is the easiest problem, that's 99% solved with XEP-0313
  601. MattJ But implementations do not query transports, because transports today don't offer this ability (except for groupchats)
  602. MattJ So implementations would need to add support for this, even if they already support XEP-0313 in other ways
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  604. MattJ so you need to get friendly with client developers :)
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  606. jonasw the proper fix would be if the transport sent messages to the account even if no client is online
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  608. MattJ I understood the problem to be access to messages before registering with the transport
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  616. Yagiza MattJ, the problem is what to do if both transport and user's server do support XEP-0313.
  617. Link Mauve Yagiza, the client can either request both, or assume one is the only source of truth.
  618. Link Mauve Deduplication might be harder in the first case though, because stanza-ids will be different.
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  624. Yagiza Link Mauve, yes. So all those issues must be clarified in the XEP.
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  628. Link Mauve The XEP only defines the protocol to retrieve history from another entity.
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  630. Link Mauve You can write another one (informational) about what to do with transports.
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  685. Yagiza Link Mauve, yes. But at least, mention of transports in Archiving Entities( https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html#archiving_entities ) should be added.
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