Friday, September 07, 2018
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:48:34] <daniel> Would it be a stupid idea to have the muc server include the caps hash in room configuration change messages?
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[09:06:58] <pep.> I have a poezio plugin that pulls the config and diffs, when there's a configuration change :x
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[13:16:50] <Kev> Meanwhile, in Isode chat:
Edwin
I shall not mention PRECIS, shall I

Kev
PRECIS is a story told to frighten young children.
[13:17:44] <Zash> If you don't behave, you'll have to investigate how IDNA2003, IDNA2008 and PRECIS interacts.
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[13:24:14] <Maranda> 😲
[13:24:38] <Maranda> Do I want to know..?
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[13:27:56] *Maranda looked at rfc-4013 yesterday and noticed all those "Errata Exists" / "Obsoleted By" 🙄
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[14:16:30] <lovetox> there is a caps hash for rooms? Oo
[14:16:33] <lovetox> didnt know that
[14:18:52] <Zash> caps hash is a function of disco#info, so why notq
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[14:25:42] <MattJ> Good idea imho
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[14:26:35] <lovetox> the benefit is not that great though
[14:27:06] <Zash> Hm, where did that come from?
[14:27:09] <lovetox> are there many muc config changes that dont affect the disco?
[14:27:12] <Zash> I thought I saw an email but now I don't
[14:29:01] <lovetox> if you mean why i brought up that topic, daniel asked in this room if the hash could be in the 104 status message
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[14:29:23] *Zash scrolls up
[14:29:36] <Zash> Ah there, hidden in a ton of joins and parts
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[14:30:21] <lovetox> i would say its useful if there is a common case where the hash is not changed although a 104 message was sent
[14:31:33] <Zash> There are some settings that have status codes, some that just change in disco, others that might not have anything in disco at all.
[14:31:37] <Zash> I think(?)
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[14:31:51] <lovetox> yeah what are those that are not in disco
[14:32:29] <lovetox> for the others is a hash not useful because it would be different anyway
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[14:32:57] <Zash> Duno
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[14:33:14] <Zash> You wouldn't be able to get stuff by discoing anyways
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[14:35:20] <lovetox> if i disco i except to get a disco, what do you mean?
[14:35:31] <Zash> wut
[14:35:41] <lovetox> if i disco i expect to get a disco, what do you mean?
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[14:35:55] <lovetox> what is the "stuff" you are talking that i dont get
[14:36:24] <Zash> If something isn't in disco, you wouldn't get it via disco
[14:37:10] <lovetox> i doubt there is much in a room config, that does not affect the disco
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[14:39:25] <lovetox> thats why i would be interested about what frequently changed option daniel thinks
[14:39:38] <lovetox> where this would allow him to skip a disco
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[14:41:48] <daniel> lovetox, well first of it was just a random thought i didn’t think it all the way through. i just thought that muc configs are probably very similiar. for example most users (on my client) will probably just have the conversations default config
[14:42:13] <Zash> daniel: Name and stuff goes in there tho, so I'm assuming every room will be unique
[14:42:37] <daniel> yeah name is a problem with that
[14:42:47] <lovetox> and you still have the problem to discover the hash
[14:42:50] <daniel> so it probably doesn’t buy you much
[14:43:06] <Zash> Probably doesn't hurt much either?
[14:43:25] <Zash> Benchmark or it never XEPs!! :)
[14:43:32] <daniel> would would be cool would be a way to discover the caps hash on join or something
[14:43:45] <daniel> then i don’t have to do a disco query again and again
[14:44:00] <lovetox> thats to late daniel, you have to put stuff into the join presence that depends on disco
[14:44:12] <lovetox> like history query if there is no MAM
[14:45:03] <daniel> yeah i know. i also run the query anway to have a reliable way of telling whether a room exists
[14:45:38] <lovetox> every muc publishes the hash in a pep node, and clients subscribe :D
[14:45:46] <daniel> but anyway it feels stupid to again and again do disco#info on 10s of rooms that all have very similiar if not the same config
[14:47:10] <Zash> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0230.html :D
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