XSF Discussion - 2018-09-13


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  28. peter beautiful :(
  29. peter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists
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  431. edhelas is there people going to the 35c3 this year ?
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  434. Link Mauve o/
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  436. edhelas nice :) would it be possible to get early tickets by the XSF folks ?
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  440. Yagiza Hello!
  441. Seve/SouL Haven't checked when is it (and also never been there)
  442. Yagiza First test release of eyeCU with my Jingle RTP Sessions implementation is out.
  443. Yagiza Windows build only so far. No installer - just a ZIP archive. Anyone wish to test it?
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  445. Link Mauve Yagiza, does it run in Wine?
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  447. Yagiza Link Mauve, I don't know. It uses Qt5 for MSVC12 and FFMpeg libraries for Windows.
  448. Yagiza Link Mauve, never tried to run it with Wine.
  449. Link Mauve I didn’t manage to finish to build it the other day btw, I couldn’t find any mention of qputil or qpdns.
  450. Link Mauve Where does it come from?
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  453. Yagiza Link Mauve, those libraries are from QtPurple framework.
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  515. Yagiza Here's the link for those, who want to test: http://eyecu.ru/download/eyecu2-test.zip
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  517. Yagiza It shoul run on Windows'XP and newer.
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  524. Yagiza If my implementation of XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177 and XEP-0266 is wrong or incorrect, please, let me know.
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  535. Link Mauve Yagiza, have you done any interoperability testing with other clients, such as Gajim (0.16, not 1.0), Pidgin or Psi?
  536. Link Mauve Or Empathy.
  537. Yagiza Link Mauve, not yet. It was just released and I didn't even tested connectivity outside of my own flat.
  538. Link Mauve Ok. :)
  539. Yagiza Link Mauve, so, I'm looking for testers.
  540. Link Mauve Yagiza, is https://github.com/gatlin/QPurple the most up to date QPurple project? There hasn’t been a single commit in five years. :/
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  542. Yagiza Link Mauve, I guess, no. QtPurple is a different project from Purple Soft.
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  544. pep. edhelas: it would be nice to get early tickets indeed. I think mathieui did it last year? Just send an email asking for it?
  545. MattJ daniel, does Conversations do XEP-0333 in MUC? And does it just sync all messages even if I'm offline for 2 months?
  546. MattJ Seems many clients are struggling with long MAM sync times, especially in busy MUCs after being offline for some time
  547. MattJ With no way to know which messages you want or don't want from that history
  548. daniel MattJ: I'm adding a jid attribute to the response
  549. Ge0rG MattJ: do you have principal suggestions on how to solve the offline-for-some-time problem?
  550. MattJ Ge0rG, once I do, I'll let you know
  551. MattJ I'm in research mode right now
  552. daniel No. Max catchup is a week or so
  553. daniel I don't have anything clever to fill the gaps
  554. daniel > MattJ: I'm adding a jid attribute to the response Which I have been meaning to write down
  555. MattJ daniel, to which response?
  556. daniel It's `<displayed id='123' jid='room@service/MattJ' />`
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  558. daniel Might be `by` instead of jid
  559. daniel But the idea is the same
  560. MattJ and you send that to the bare JID of the MUC?
  561. daniel Yes
  562. MattJ That's very helpful, thanks
  563. daniel I mean it's unique since only the time of writing counts right
  564. daniel So you don't have to worry about changing nicks
  565. daniel Lol locking at my code it's actually called 'sender'
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  567. daniel MattJ: but that's essentially what I was trying to tell you at the developers Meetup. That's how you can solve the attachment / references problem as well
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  569. MattJ Well, MattJ could leave the room, someone takes his nick and then sends another message with id='123'
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  571. daniel oh. that’s true. i hadn’t considered yet.
  572. MattJ Also I'm pondering rewriting ids in MUCs anyway (yes, yes, I know...)
  573. MattJ The sender's id would still be reflected back to them, as XEP-0045 now requires
  574. MattJ But I guess this would break XEP-0333 from the perspective of everyone else in the room
  575. MattJ Unless the MUC also mapped those... ick
  576. daniel MattJ: well not with my fancy client id fall back
  577. MattJ I'm quite behind "id attribute and origin-id should be set the same"
  578. MattJ It makes it clear that origin-id can always be used as a fallback in these kinds of cases
  579. Ge0rG daniel: "my fancy client id fall back" is exactly what I'd like to avoid all client developers having to get right
  580. MattJ The problem for MUC is that the id attribute is the only way to track delivery errors to occupants
  581. Ge0rG daniel: I remember you being strongly opposed to the "fancy client-side self-ping" solution not too long ago.
  582. MattJ so if it can't guarantee that those ids are unique, it can't handle delivery failures properly
  583. daniel Ge0rG: yeah but because of the resources. Not because it's complicated
  584. Ge0rG MattJ: you could reject incoming messages with duplicate IDs :P
  585. daniel Origin ID doesn't consume resources
  586. Zash So what we should do is to have the MUC produce its own IDs!!!
  587. MattJ Zash, that's what I was thinking, of course :)
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  589. MattJ Also, on another MUC-related note...
  590. MattJ I'm considering sending <presence type="unavailable"/> from unavailable affiliated occupants when you join
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  592. Ge0rG MattJ: what problem do you want to solve? additional IQs to obtain affiliation/admin lists?
  593. MattJ It seems a more natural way to do it than the iq method, yes
  594. MattJ and although the XEP allows fetching the member list, it doesn't allow fetching admins/owners
  595. MattJ Which would leak JIDs in semi-anon rooms anyway
  596. MattJ the presence would always work
  597. daniel But what do you put as nick then?
  598. Ge0rG except you'd need clients to rely on the presence push to not query affiliation
  599. daniel =resource. You know what I mean
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  601. Ge0rG Just leave it empty. It worked well enough for avatars 😁
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  603. MattJ daniel, Prosody is now storing nicks with affiliations
  604. daniel Ge0rG: yeah but if the room is anon then it's essentially no information at all
  605. daniel If you have an empty presence w/o jid in the x and resource
  606. Ge0rG Use the room JID and let the client figure out all the <x> stuffed in there ;)
  607. MattJ No, this would come from the occupant JID, on the assumption that Prosody knows the nick associated with the affiliation
  608. MattJ This is already in XEP-0045, and there is already a config option in the XEP for toggling whether to include these presence stanzas
  609. daniel What option?
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  615. MattJ daniel, I take it back, it's not a config option, it's a status code
  616. MattJ <statuscode> <number>102</number> <stanza>message</stanza> <context>Configuration change</context> <purpose> Inform occupants that room now shows unavailable members </purpose> </statuscode>
  617. MattJ I thought there was a corresponding option, but I can't see it right now with Ctrl+F at least
  618. daniel 45 is full of surprises
  619. MattJ Yes, this was a fun find
  620. Ge0rG The most surprising things of 45 are the ones *not* written in the XEP.
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  704. nyco ding
  705. MattJ dong
  706. MattJ ralphm, Guus
  707. Guus MattJ, I'm unavailable as announced
  708. Guus Can maybe lurk at best
  709. MattJ Oh, sorry
  710. Guus Np
  711. MattJ I propose we skip then
  712. MattJ Has anyone heard from ralphm?
  713. nyco ah right, thx for the reminder, so no quorum...
  714. nyco +1W?
  715. MattJ wfm
  716. Guus MattJ: not me
  717. nyco not me
  718. nyco :'(
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  721. ralphm I am still alive
  722. ralphm But overloaded with work meetings
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  733. MattJ ralphm, ok, glad you're ok :)
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  736. nyco aaaah
  737. nyco so let's overload him even more!
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  754. ralphm Next week should be better. 🤞
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  803. Guus Famous last words
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