XSF Discussion - 2018-09-22


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  403. marc Anyone an idea how xep401 can be combined with IBR CAPTCHA?
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  616. Maranda has no clue what xep 401 is about tbh, *goes looking*
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  618. Maranda Oh that nasty thing
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  621. Maranda marc, you present the captcha challenge in the returned form after account creation? (5.4 / Example 6)
  622. Maranda marc, you present the captcha challenge in the returned form after account creation request? (5.4 / Example 6)
  623. Maranda marc, and s/IBR Captcha/XEP-158/
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  636. marc Maranda: nasty?
  637. Maranda The xep number is nasty for sure 😜
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  639. marc 😶
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  641. Maranda (and for all the security implications it has, so 401 is befitting :P)
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  651. marc Has anybody more useful / non-trolling comments / ideas?
  652. Zash Abort, Retry, Ignore
  653. Zash marc: Sorry. I didn't notice the original question. And I tought 301 at first.
  654. Zash Captcha for whom? And why?
  655. marc Zash: I think capcha should at least be supported during ibr via invitation to avoid automatic account creation on public services
  656. marc But it's not possible to advertise captcha and 401 in ibr if I understand the XEP correctly
  657. Zash Why do you think that?
  658. Zash Would the one creating the invite be the one doing the captcha or the one being invited?
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  660. Zash With reservation for not having read it in detail recently, I see there are forms, can you stick media elements in those?
  661. Zash Or however captchas work
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  672. marc Zash: the invitee I would say
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  681. Maranda marc, the fact you should return the xep-158 captcha in the presented form in request response is trolling are you serious?
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  685. Maranda ibr needs to be secured it doesn't need captcha, there're other ways to protect from automated registrations
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  688. Maranda The security concern in that xep *is spam bots* potentially abusing invites, IBR being flawed is another matter
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  698. Maranda and should you be concerned about captcha support in clients just use another out of band verification, e.g. email/token based, and have users insert the token in the invite form. The same goes for IBR, you need to support dataforms to use this XEP anyways and same goes for server needing to support extended IBR fields.
  699. Zash I'd suggest rather limiting the number of invites that can be sent (per user and/or time)
  700. Zash Combine with marketing to make them seem exclusive
  701. Maranda Zash, you can easily go around that e.g. 1 spam bot registering can send at least one invite out.
  702. Maranda I had this discussion when this xep got brought out time ago.
  703. Maranda I had this same argument when this xep got brought out time ago.
  704. Zash If the goal is to make it easy for users, it will also make it easy for spammers. No way around that.
  705. Maranda Indeed
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  707. Zash If they do exploit it that way, then the data of who invited who could be used to find potentially related spam bot accounts
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  709. Maranda is particularly against not making clearer in the XEP only admins should be able to create accounts
  710. Maranda or rather pre-create accounts
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  713. Zash That sounds like it should be up to local policy
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  717. Maranda Anyways if the problem is media elements support in forms by clients you can easily solve that OOB. (and any protection obviously makes it a "Less Easier User Onboarding")
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  726. marc Okay, seems that I implement it without captcha first :-/
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