Tuesday, September 25, 2018
xsf@muc.xmpp.org
September
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
          1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
             
XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

[00:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:01:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:02:13] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:02:14] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:04:31] *** lumi shows as "away" and his status message is "(Idle 10 min)"
[00:05:20] *** alacer has left the room
[00:06:37] *** lumi shows as "online"
[00:11:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:11:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:11:45] *** UsL has joined the room
[00:11:53] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:11:54] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:11:56] *** Maranda has left the room
[00:12:06] *** Maranda has joined the room
[00:12:07] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[00:12:07] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[00:13:44] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[00:13:45] <Maranda> SamWhited, and it's not falling back either on malformed request...
[00:13:45] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[00:13:52] <Maranda> I'll have to blacklist the mechanism
[00:15:06] *** efrit has joined the room
[00:15:31] <SamWhited> Oh yah, it doesn't do that, otherwise it would be a potential DOS
[00:15:49] <SamWhited> It only falls back if the feature isn't advertised at all and no successful auth has caused a mechanism to be pinned, IIRC
[00:16:05] <SamWhited> *a higher-priority mechanism to be pinned
[00:16:22] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[00:19:03] *** Maranda has left the room
[00:19:10] *** Maranda has joined the room
[00:20:46] *** Maranda has left the room
[00:21:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:21:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:21:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:21:38] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:29:46] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[00:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:31:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:32:46] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:32:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:40:50] *** Maranda has joined the room
[00:41:48] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[00:41:56] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[00:42:01] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:42:02] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:42:25] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:42:29] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:44:24] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[00:44:25] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[00:51:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:51:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:52:02] *** jjrh has left the room
[00:52:03] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[00:53:41] *** peter shows as "online"
[00:53:52] *** peter has left the room
[00:55:54] *** Maranda has left the room
[00:56:00] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[00:56:09] *** Maranda has left the room
[00:56:14] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[01:00:49] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:00:55] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[01:01:12] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:01:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:02:57] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:02:58] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:03:14] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:05:13] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:05:21] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:05:27] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:06:06] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:06:11] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:13:46] *** alexis has joined the room
[01:14:44] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[01:14:46] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[01:16:53] *** alexis has left the room
[01:21:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:21:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:21:51] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:22:04] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:23:35] *** peter has joined the room
[01:23:36] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[01:23:45] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[01:23:51] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:23:53] *** peter shows as "online"
[01:24:01] *** lskdjf has left the room
[01:24:06] *** l has left the room
[01:26:45] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:26:57] *** alexis has joined the room
[01:27:54] *** alexis has left the room
[01:28:18] *** tux has left the room
[01:28:19] *** tux has joined the room
[01:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:31:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:33:04] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:34:50] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:34:51] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:35:52] *** l has left the room
[01:35:57] *** l has joined the room
[01:38:11] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:39:11] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:39:16] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:41:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:41:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:41:44] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:41:45] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:45:14] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[01:45:15] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[01:50:48] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:51:09] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[01:52:00] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:52:00] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:52:05] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:52:08] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:52:16] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:52:22] *** Maranda has left the room
[01:52:26] *** Maranda has joined the room
[01:52:39] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[01:53:02] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[01:53:12] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:53:13] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:55:20] *** SamWhited has left the room
[01:58:42] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[02:01:41] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:02:01] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:10:56] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[02:11:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:11:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:12:37] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:12:38] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:13:18] *** j.r has joined the room
[02:14:45] *** peter shows as "online"
[02:15:44] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[02:15:45] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[02:16:49] *** alacer has joined the room
[02:17:22] *** alacer has left the room
[02:17:39] *** alacer has joined the room
[02:32:11] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:32:12] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:33:01] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:33:02] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:35:04] *** Yagiza has joined the room
[02:35:11] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:36:11] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:36:22] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:37:54] *** Yagiza has left the room
[02:38:06] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:38:20] *** labdsf has left the room
[02:38:21] *** labdsf has joined the room
[02:38:34] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:39:58] *** Yagiza has left the room
[02:42:09] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:42:09] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:42:56] *** Guus shows as "online"
[02:42:59] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:42:59] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:44:14] *** alacer has left the room
[02:46:14] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[02:46:15] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[02:49:26] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[02:51:02] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:51:13] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:51:50] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:52:12] *** jjrh has left the room
[02:52:58] *** Yagiza has left the room
[02:54:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[02:55:44] *** Yagiza has left the room
[02:57:19] *** Yagiza has joined the room
[02:57:34] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:57:54] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:58:05] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[02:59:14] *** Guus shows as "online"
[02:59:32] *** Yagiza has left the room
[03:01:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:01:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:03:43] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:03:43] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:08:32] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[03:09:24] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[03:09:53] *** alacer has joined the room
[03:10:36] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[03:10:40] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:10:56] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[03:11:06] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:11:17] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:11:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:11:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:11:44] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[03:11:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:11:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:11:59] *** Yagiza has left the room
[03:14:07] *** alacer has left the room
[03:14:10] *** alacer has joined the room
[03:16:54] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[03:16:55] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[03:16:57] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[03:21:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:21:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:21:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:21:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:21:50] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[03:25:51] *** peter has left the room
[03:32:20] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[03:33:07] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:33:07] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:33:21] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:33:22] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:33:29] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:34:55] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:35:18] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:36:15] *** Yagiza has left the room
[03:36:58] *** Yagiza has left the room
[03:37:16] *** Yagiza has joined the room
[03:37:26] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:40:10] *** labdsf has left the room
[03:40:56] *** labdsf has joined the room
[03:41:51] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:42:01] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:42:26] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:42:47] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:47:11] *** Yagiza has left the room
[03:47:14] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[03:47:15] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[03:52:05] *** jjrh has left the room
[03:52:06] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[03:54:10] *** Yagiza has left the room
[03:54:29] *** Yagiza has joined the room
[03:54:40] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:56:14] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[03:56:27] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[04:01:10] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[04:01:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:01:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:01:39] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:02:15] *** Yagiza has left the room
[04:02:32] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[04:06:54] *** muppeth has left the room
[04:08:28] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[04:08:31] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:08:53] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[04:08:54] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[04:11:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:11:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:12:01] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:12:01] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:13:15] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[04:13:15] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[04:15:50] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[04:15:59] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[04:16:21] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[04:16:44] *** Yagiza has left the room
[04:19:01] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[04:19:11] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[04:19:15] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:19:34] *** Yagiza has left the room
[04:21:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:21:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:22:01] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:22:02] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:26:06] *** labdsf has left the room
[04:28:39] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:29:29] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[04:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:31:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:32:58] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:32:59] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:35:42] *** lnj has joined the room
[04:39:05] *** labdsf has joined the room
[04:39:29] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[04:39:30] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[04:40:09] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:40:09] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:40:19] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:40:19] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:41:34] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:41:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:41:34] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:41:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:41:37] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:41:38] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:41:41] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:41:41] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:42:17] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:42:17] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:42:22] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:42:26] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:42:53] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:42:54] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:42:56] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:42:57] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:43:31] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:43:32] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:43:38] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:43:40] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:44:07] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:44:10] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:44:14] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:44:17] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:44:53] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:45:11] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:45:13] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[04:45:15] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[04:45:27] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[04:46:53] *** labdsf has left the room
[04:47:09] *** daniel has left the room
[04:50:19] *** daniel has joined the room
[04:50:52] *** Zash shows as "away"
[04:50:54] *** Zash shows as "away"
[04:51:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:51:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:51:59] *** jjrh has left the room
[04:52:01] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[04:52:11] *** alacer has left the room
[04:52:13] *** alacer has joined the room
[04:54:26] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:55:52] *** daniel has left the room
[04:57:14] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[04:57:32] *** mimi89999 has left the room
[04:57:41] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[05:00:56] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[05:01:29] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[05:01:33] *** lorddavidiii has joined the room
[05:01:36] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[05:02:03] *** daniel has joined the room
[05:06:32] *** andy has joined the room
[05:07:46] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:07:47] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:09:50] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[05:09:52] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[05:12:24] *** labdsf has joined the room
[05:15:33] *** j.r has left the room
[05:15:36] *** j.r has joined the room
[05:17:47] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:17:47] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:18:56] *** alacer has left the room
[05:18:58] *** alacer has joined the room
[05:21:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:21:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:23:19] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[05:23:23] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:23:24] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:23:26] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[05:26:28] *** labdsf has left the room
[05:26:28] *** SamWhited has left the room
[05:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:31:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:31:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:31:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:32:49] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[05:37:16] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[05:39:10] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[05:40:15] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[05:40:24] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[05:41:17] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[05:41:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:41:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:42:24] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:42:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:50:24] *** daniel has left the room
[05:50:45] *** daniel has joined the room
[05:51:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[05:51:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[05:51:53] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[05:52:29] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[05:52:47] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[05:53:05] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[05:55:15] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[06:01:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:01:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:01:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:01:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:02:07] *** ta shows as "online"
[06:09:10] *** alacer has left the room
[06:09:38] *** alacer has joined the room
[06:10:54] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[06:10:55] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[06:12:59] *** Guus shows as "online"
[06:14:49] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[06:17:19] *** vinx55 has joined the room
[06:17:47] *** ralphm has left the room
[06:17:52] *** Str4tocaster has joined the room
[06:18:02] *** Str4tocaster shows as "online"
[06:18:33] *** karp has left the room
[06:18:33] *** karp has joined the room
[06:18:34] *** Zash has left the room
[06:19:45] *** ralphm has joined the room
[06:20:44] *** Guus shows as "online"
[06:20:45] *** daniel has left the room
[06:21:04] *** daniel has joined the room
[06:21:24] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:21:24] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:21:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:21:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:22:12] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:22:13] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:23:01] *** vinx55 has left the room
[06:23:20] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[06:23:28] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[06:24:04] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[06:26:04] *** Str4tocaster has left the room
[06:30:26] *** vinx55 has joined the room
[06:31:09] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[06:31:30] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[06:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:31:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:32:12] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:32:13] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:32:37] *** Guus shows as "online"
[06:32:40] *** jonas’ shows as "online"
[06:33:21] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[06:36:03] *** vinx55 has left the room
[06:36:22] *** Zash shows as "online"
[06:39:18] *** intosi shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[06:39:23] *** intosi shows as "online"
[06:39:53] *** valo has joined the room
[06:41:24] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[06:41:25] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[06:43:44] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:43:44] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:45:59] *** Zash has left the room
[06:49:22] *** lorddavidiii has left the room
[06:50:22] *** karp has left the room
[06:50:23] *** karp has joined the room
[06:51:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:51:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:52:03] *** jjrh has left the room
[06:52:05] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[06:54:27] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[06:55:15] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[06:55:39] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[06:56:36] *** lorddavidiii has joined the room
[06:59:04] *** andy shows as "away"
[07:01:53] *** Nekit has joined the room
[07:02:14] *** Guus shows as "online"
[07:04:04] *** andy shows as "xa"
[07:07:02] *** andy shows as "online"
[07:09:39] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:09:52] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[07:11:24] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:11:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:11:44] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:11:46] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[07:11:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:11:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:12:21] *** karp has left the room
[07:12:22] *** karp has joined the room
[07:12:57] *** Zash has left the room
[07:15:56] *** Guus has left the room
[07:18:05] *** Zash has joined the room
[07:18:30] *** Guus has joined the room
[07:21:26] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[07:21:32] *** flow has joined the room
[07:21:34] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[07:21:49] *** lnj has left the room
[07:22:06] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:22:06] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:22:13] *** lnj has joined the room
[07:22:37] *** andy shows as "away"
[07:22:37] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:27:38] *** andy shows as "xa"
[07:28:07] *** j.r has joined the room
[07:28:53] *** Guus shows as "online"
[07:29:32] *** goffi has joined the room
[07:29:50] *** goffi shows as "online"
[07:31:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:31:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:32:07] *** andy shows as "online"
[07:33:09] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:33:35] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[07:36:04] *** Str4tocaster has joined the room
[07:36:11] *** Str4tocaster shows as "online"
[07:37:40] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:38:26] *** Str4tocaster has left the room
[07:38:55] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[07:39:14] *** Str4tocaster has joined the room
[07:39:22] *** Str4tocaster shows as "online"
[07:40:11] *** Guus shows as "online"
[07:40:32] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:41:28] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[07:41:37] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:41:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:41:38] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:41:39] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:42:05] <edhelas> was there some discussions regarding the GDPR and the usage of transports with XMPP ?
[07:44:29] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:46:26] *** Str4tocaster has left the room
[07:46:50] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:50:44] *** Dave Cridland has joined the room
[07:51:30] *** 404.city has joined the room
[07:51:49] *** jjrh has left the room
[07:51:50] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[07:53:06] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[07:54:03] *** Kev has joined the room
[07:54:07] *** Kev shows as "online"
[07:54:32] *** Dave Cridland has joined the room
[07:54:59] *** Kev has left the room
[07:55:26] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[08:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:01:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:03:04] *** intosi shows as "online"
[08:03:09] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[08:03:27] *** intosi shows as "online"
[08:04:11] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[08:04:48] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[08:04:50] *** Seve/SouL shows as "online"
[08:04:56] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[08:05:25] *** Dave Cridland has joined the room
[08:09:12] *** Guus shows as "online"
[08:09:14] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[08:09:35] *** flow has left the room
[08:09:36] *** flow has joined the room
[08:12:10] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[08:12:18] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[08:12:19] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:12:20] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:12:49] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[08:13:39] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[08:13:47] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[08:14:14] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[08:14:43] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[08:15:58] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[08:16:41] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[08:18:12] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[08:20:50] *** flow has left the room
[08:21:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:21:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:21:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:21:48] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:25:27] *** UsL has joined the room
[08:25:33] *** karp shows as "dnd"
[08:32:12] *** Guus shows as "online"
[08:33:00] *** mrdoctorwho has left the room
[08:35:22] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[08:35:23] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[08:37:40] *** Guus shows as "online"
[08:38:04] *** waqas has left the room
[08:41:24] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:41:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:41:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:41:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:42:14] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:42:15] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:45:12] *** karp has left the room
[08:45:19] *** karp shows as "online"
[08:45:26] *** lnj shows as "online"
[08:45:33] *** andy shows as "away"
[08:50:19] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[08:50:32] *** andy shows as "xa"
[08:51:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:51:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[08:53:14] *** winfried has joined the room
[08:53:20] *** jjrh has left the room
[08:55:10] *** andy shows as "online"
[09:00:14] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[09:00:38] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[09:01:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:01:29] *** l has joined the room
[09:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:01:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:01:41] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[09:02:15] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:02:15] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:03:05] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[09:03:52] *** Guus shows as "online"
[09:04:13] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[09:04:26] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[09:04:27] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[09:04:31] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[09:05:22] *** Guus has left the room
[09:05:58] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[09:05:59] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[09:10:14] *** winfried has joined the room
[09:11:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:11:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:12:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:12:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:17:36] *** tux shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work work …"
[09:18:29] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[09:18:29] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[09:26:42] *** andy shows as "away"
[09:27:33] *** andy shows as "online"
[09:27:54] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:29:00] *** Nekit has left the room
[09:29:22] *** Nekit has joined the room
[09:29:32] *** j.r has joined the room
[09:29:45] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[09:30:01] *** lnj has left the room
[09:31:25] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:31:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:33:40] <edhelas> > and Mojave completes the transition by pulling out Jabber support
[09:33:53] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[09:36:50] <Zash> Who
[09:40:00] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:03] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[09:40:06] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:08] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:17] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:25] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:33] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:50] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:59] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[09:40:59] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[09:40:59] *** andy shows as "away"
[09:41:09] *** intosi shows as "online"
[09:41:25] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:41:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:41:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:41:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:41:39] <edhelas> macOS Mojave, the state of XMPP in iMessage was already bad, now it's gone
[09:41:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:41:48] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:41:56] <edhelas> so leave us with not much actually
[09:42:38] <edhelas> Dino doesn't has a stable built yet for macOS, Adium is based on libpurple, there's maybe Swift
[09:42:47] <edhelas> and Movim but it's an Electron client :p
[09:43:08] <jonas’> gajim?
[09:43:46] *** mrdoctorwho has joined the room
[09:45:36] <edhelas> yes indeed
[09:45:58] *** andy shows as "xa"
[09:48:21] *** andy shows as "online"
[09:49:14] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[09:49:23] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[09:49:38] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[09:51:24] *** intosi shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[09:51:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:51:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:52:13] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[09:53:42] *** equil shows as "online"
[09:54:00] *** equil shows as "online"
[09:54:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[09:54:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[09:55:08] *** mrdoctorwho has left the room
[10:00:50] *** Zash shows as "online"
[10:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:01:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:02:01] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:02:02] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:02:38] *** derdaniel has left the room
[10:02:39] *** derdaniel has joined the room
[10:06:32] *** efrit has left the room
[10:08:00] *** cookie shows as "away"
[10:08:26] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[10:11:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:11:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:11:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:12:46] *** Zash has left the room
[10:13:12] *** equil shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:15:24] *** Zash shows as "online"
[10:17:11] *** equil has left the room
[10:17:44] *** equil shows as "online"
[10:18:20] *** equil shows as "online"
[10:18:31] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[10:18:37] <Zash> Monal?
[10:19:27] *** Guus shows as "online"
[10:20:13] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[10:21:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:22:25] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:22:26] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:24:42] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[10:25:05] *** andy shows as "away"
[10:26:18] *** Str4tocaster has joined the room
[10:26:25] *** Str4tocaster shows as "online"
[10:26:50] *** Zash has left the room
[10:26:53] *** Str4tocaster has left the room
[10:27:05] *** Str4tocaster has joined the room
[10:27:13] *** Str4tocaster shows as "online"
[10:28:12] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[10:29:12] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[10:30:04] *** andy shows as "xa"
[10:31:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:31:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:32:53] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[10:34:31] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:34:54] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:35:39] *** flow has joined the room
[10:38:50] *** equil shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:38:59] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[10:39:00] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[10:39:16] *** equil shows as "online"
[10:41:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:41:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:41:39] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[10:43:24] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[10:43:25] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:43:33] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[10:44:00] *** lskdjf has joined the room
[10:44:43] <goffi> Cagou (SàT) is working on Mac OS, but need people to test it (I have no Mac myself)
[10:44:55] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:46:13] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[10:49:48] *** andy shows as "online"
[10:51:06] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[10:51:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[10:51:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[10:54:36] *** lnj has left the room
[10:54:56] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[10:55:17] *** equil shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:56:13] *** equil shows as "online"
[10:57:04] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[10:57:28] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[10:57:47] *** Str4tocaster has left the room
[10:57:56] *** mrdoctorwho has joined the room
[11:00:17] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:00:48] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:03:23] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:03:24] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:04:10] *** l shows as "online"
[11:05:31] *** equil shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:06:06] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[11:06:15] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[11:08:09] *** equil shows as "online"
[11:08:24] *** andy shows as "away"
[11:09:31] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:09:32] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:09:33] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:10:34] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:11:38] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:11:40] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:13:24] *** andy shows as "xa"
[11:13:25] *** equil shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:13:26] *** andy shows as "online"
[11:14:31] *** equil shows as "online"
[11:14:46] *** ThibG has left the room
[11:14:49] *** ThibG has joined the room
[11:15:38] *** cookie shows as "online"
[11:15:47] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[11:15:53] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[11:17:48] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:17:56] *** Zash has left the room
[11:18:42] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:18:54] *** lnj has joined the room
[11:22:12] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:23:44] *** muppeth has joined the room
[11:23:51] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:26:11] *** intosi shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[11:26:12] *** intosi shows as "online"
[11:28:17] *** labdsf has joined the room
[11:28:26] *** Zash has left the room
[11:31:59] *** Seve/SouL has left the room
[11:32:02] *** Seve/SouL shows as "online"
[11:32:12] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:32:14] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:34:21] *** lnj shows as "online"
[11:37:55] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[11:38:48] *** Guus shows as "online"
[11:40:54] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[11:41:04] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[11:41:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:41:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:41:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:41:48] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:42:52] *** Nekit has left the room
[11:43:08] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[11:43:09] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:43:10] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:44:20] *** lnj shows as "online"
[11:45:56] *** tux shows as "xa" and his status message is "Gone for Food"
[11:45:57] *** tux shows as "away"
[11:46:30] *** Nekit has joined the room
[11:46:45] *** labdsf has left the room
[11:51:02] *** alacer has left the room
[11:51:04] *** alacer has joined the room
[11:51:22] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:51:27] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:51:54] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:51:55] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[11:52:03] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[11:57:38] *** jonas’ shows as "away"
[11:59:58] *** labdsf has joined the room
[12:01:27] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[12:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:01:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:01:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:01:38] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:02:01] *** alacer has left the room
[12:02:22] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[12:03:39] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[12:04:29] *** jonas’ shows as "online"
[12:06:12] *** j.r has joined the room
[12:09:00] *** Zash shows as "online"
[12:09:01] *** Zash shows as "online"
[12:10:31] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[12:12:16] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:12:17] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:12:24] *** labdsf has left the room
[12:13:54] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:13:54] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:14:18] *** labdsf has joined the room
[12:14:27] *** equil shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[12:14:45] *** intosi shows as "online"
[12:16:18] *** l has left the room
[12:21:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:21:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:21:59] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:22:01] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:22:37] *** Kev has joined the room
[12:22:40] *** Kev shows as "online"
[12:22:45] *** Kev has left the room
[12:22:59] *** equil shows as "online"
[12:22:59] *** equil has left the room
[12:23:14] *** equil shows as "online"
[12:23:23] *** equil has left the room
[12:23:26] *** equil has left the room
[12:23:46] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[12:24:58] *** intosi shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[12:26:14] *** ThibG has joined the room
[12:32:09] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:32:10] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:32:16] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:32:16] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:32:29] *** andy has left the room
[12:32:57] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[12:39:29] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[12:39:34] *** Zash shows as "away"
[12:39:37] *** Zash shows as "away"
[12:39:38] *** Zash shows as "online"
[12:40:43] *** Zash has left the room
[12:41:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:41:47] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:41:48] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[12:41:53] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[12:42:01] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[12:42:19] *** peter has joined the room
[12:42:28] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[12:43:15] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[12:43:17] *** peter shows as "online"
[12:43:21] *** Str4tocaster has joined the room
[12:43:43] *** peter has left the room
[12:44:34] *** Nekit has left the room
[12:44:57] *** Nekit has joined the room
[12:46:12] *** daniel has left the room
[12:46:31] *** daniel has joined the room
[12:46:31] *** Str4tocaster has left the room
[12:47:12] *** labdsf has left the room
[12:47:39] *** labdsf has joined the room
[12:51:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:51:40] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:52:36] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:52:46] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:53:08] *** Alex has joined the room
[12:53:30] *** j.r has joined the room
[12:57:23] *** alacer has joined the room
[12:58:06] *** Nekit has left the room
[12:59:02] *** alacer has left the room
[12:59:10] *** alacer has joined the room
[12:59:55] *** jere has joined the room
[13:01:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:01:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:01:40] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:01:41] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:01:54] *** Nekit has joined the room
[13:04:00] *** Alex has left the room
[13:04:53] *** Tobias has joined the room
[13:06:13] *** Guus shows as "online"
[13:08:05] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[13:09:00] *** winfried has left the room
[13:09:28] *** Zash has left the room
[13:12:34] *** Steve Kille has joined the room
[13:12:41] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:12:43] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:12:49] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[13:13:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:15:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:18:04] *** lnj shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Nicht verfügbar wegen Untätigkeit seit mehr als 15 Minuten)"
[13:18:40] *** Holger has left the room
[13:18:46] *** Holger shows as "online"
[13:18:47] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:20:53] *** winfried has joined the room
[13:20:57] *** intosi shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[13:20:58] *** intosi shows as "online"
[13:21:00] *** lnj shows as "online"
[13:21:18] *** valo has left the room
[13:21:19] *** valo has joined the room
[13:21:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:21:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:21:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:21:48] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:27:06] *** labdsf has left the room
[13:27:30] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[13:27:37] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:28:23] *** j.r has left the room
[13:28:31] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:28:34] *** Guus shows as "online"
[13:31:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:31:41] *** j.r has left the room
[13:31:50] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:31:57] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:32:16] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:33:08] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[13:33:13] *** !xsf_martin has left the room
[13:33:33] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[13:35:07] *** alacer has left the room
[13:35:09] *** alacer has joined the room
[13:35:40] <dos> there's Monal, but it still feels somewhat beta, especially regarding MUCs
[13:36:52] <Ge0rG> And it's absent from the EU.
[13:36:52] <dos> I've tried it when looking for a client for gf, but eventually opted to fixing movim's electron client, it really felt like the best xmpp chat option on macOS :P
[13:37:30] *** lnj shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Nicht verfügbar wegen Untätigkeit seit mehr als 15 Minuten)"
[13:37:43] <dos> I'm in Poland and I downloaded it from the app store... month ago?
[13:37:53] <dos> but it might be absent on iOS
[13:38:17] <Zash> GDPR FUD ey?
[13:38:47] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:40:28] <dos> well, yeah, when I read the blog post on Monal site I facepalmed pretty hard xd
[13:41:05] *** ThibG has joined the room
[13:41:15] *** peter has joined the room
[13:41:16] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[13:41:18] *** peter shows as "online"
[13:41:26] <dos> it would be way more understandable for Movim to have such concerns, but Monal?
[13:41:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:42:08] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:42:54] <dos> I mean... unless there's something in Monal we don't know about ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[13:43:07] *** alacer has left the room
[13:43:22] <edhelas> Maybe for Movim as well ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[13:44:54] *** jonas’ shows as "away"
[13:48:10] *** peter has left the room
[13:48:39] *** dos has left the room
[13:49:33] <moparisthebest> Speaking as a service operator who has 'banned EU residents' we don't really care if you use it, just don't want to be bothered with GDPR crap
[13:50:10] <Link Mauve> Because it’s so hard to just not sell our data, and to allow us to retrieve or delete it.
[13:50:20] *** dos has joined the room
[13:50:57] <moparisthebest> Will I can lie to your face and swear I've audited everything and I'm compliant
[13:51:04] <moparisthebest> Or just not bother
[13:51:10] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[13:51:17] <moparisthebest> I'm probably compliant, just don't care
[13:51:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:51:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:51:47] *** jjrh has left the room
[13:51:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[13:52:37] *** j.r has left the room
[13:52:43] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:54:45] *** j.r has left the room
[13:55:02] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:55:51] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:57:22] *** j.r has left the room
[13:57:28] *** j.r has joined the room
[13:57:34] *** karp shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work"
[13:57:56] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[13:58:18] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[13:59:34] *** tux shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work work …"
[14:00:00] *** ThibG has joined the room
[14:00:58] *** j.r has left the room
[14:01:03] *** j.r has joined the room
[14:01:25] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[14:01:53] *** jjrh has left the room
[14:02:05] *** lnj shows as "online"
[14:02:10] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[14:06:06] *** labdsf has joined the room
[14:06:30] <Maranda> Too bad that GDPR protects nothing basically, and causes only annoyances to operators and ultimately users. One of those proper "EU style" things.
[14:07:35] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[14:07:36] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[14:07:46] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:07:47] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[14:08:02] <Maranda> Like the latest filter shit they came out with, that's just brilliant.
[14:08:22] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:08:31] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:08:34] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[14:08:42] *** lumi has joined the room
[14:09:14] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:11:35] *** jjrh has left the room
[14:11:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[14:11:37] *** jjrh has left the room
[14:11:39] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[14:12:39] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[14:13:12] <moparisthebest> yep Maranda basically that
[14:13:31] <moparisthebest> GDPR compliance costs google and facebook nothing, they already have a million engineers, customer service, and lawyers
[14:14:08] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[14:14:12] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[14:14:13] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[14:14:26] <moparisthebest> meanwhile now I have to know journald's default retention period, make sure it doesn't change with updates, document it somewhere public, hire an EU rep, then have a lawyer check over everything and declare if I'm GDPR compliant or not?
[14:14:30] *** SamWhited has left the room
[14:14:38] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[14:14:54] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[14:14:54] <moparisthebest> or... I can just tell EU residents to buzz off and not think about it. :D
[14:15:01] <Maranda> And they can pay the fines anyways or refuse to, and eventually just bury EU under tons of stamped paper.
[14:15:45] <Zash> It got kinda tiresome to read that kind of thing in May.
[14:18:10] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[14:18:22] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[14:18:54] *** jjrh has left the room
[14:18:54] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[14:19:50] <Maranda> 🤣
[14:23:59] *** Zash shows as "online"
[14:24:00] *** Zash shows as "online"
[14:24:09] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[14:24:53] *** lnj shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Nicht verfügbar wegen Untätigkeit seit mehr als 15 Minuten)"
[14:25:31] <Ge0rG> especially as most of it is wrong.
[14:26:19] <Zash> As I said before,
> GDPR FUD ey?
[14:26:21] <moparisthebest> Ge0rG, allow me to simplify, if not required by law, is it easier to care about it or not care about it? :)
[14:26:47] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: if you want to use my data, you better know where it's stored
[14:26:57] *** jjrh has left the room
[14:27:11] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[14:27:42] <moparisthebest> Ge0rG, so you know the retention period of every log on every server, and go line by line over all code changes every update to make sure it doesn't change?
[14:27:47] *** lnj shows as "online"
[14:27:53] <moparisthebest> cause, that sounds like a lot of work compared to 'not caring'
[14:27:54] *** intosi shows as "online"
[14:27:54] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[14:28:35] *** jonas’ shows as "online"
[14:28:37] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[14:28:55] *** Yagiza has left the room
[14:29:03] *** intosi shows as "online"
[14:29:06] <dos> GDPR doesn't care about your "every log"
[14:30:09] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: in the strictest sense I've seen so far, you need to ensure that if you roll back a backup, all accounts deleted since that backup will be deleted after the rollback
[14:31:13] *** jjrh has left the room
[14:31:19] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[14:32:52] <moparisthebest> and that means what for IRC
[14:33:18] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[14:33:57] <moparisthebest> also, by definition, if my server explodes and I have to restore from backup, how would I ever know which accounts had been deleted in between date-of-last-backup and server-explosion
[14:34:06] <moparisthebest> that's an insane requirement
[14:34:38] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: since when does an IRC server store *anything*?
[14:34:45] <moparisthebest> services and logs
[14:35:13] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[14:35:57] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: I'm not sure if you are attempting to be ignorant or arrogant here. I'm sure you haven't missed first my and then the XSF announcement of an XMPP server data privacy template. You could have just copied the relevant section about logging from there.
[14:36:00] *** lumi has joined the room
[14:36:16] <moparisthebest> seriously though, with any type of service, if you are restoring from backup you presumably don't have any data from before that backup right?
[14:36:22] <moparisthebest> such as, what accounts were deleted
[14:38:12] *** lnj shows as "online"
[14:38:39] <Ge0rG> Sorry, I have some real work to be done. If you need further assistance, I can ask my emplyer for a consulting offer :P
[14:39:09] <moparisthebest> thanks for confirming what I said about google/facebook being able to afford GDPR compliance and normal people not being able to
[14:40:11] <SamWhited> As far as I can tell the GDPR is mostly perfectly reasonable requirements, unlike most of the tech laws that come out of europe. If you can't afford compliance, you're probably either misunderstanding and aren't covered by it or shouldn't be operating a service that stores other peoples private data.
[14:40:13] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: the good thing is that normal people will not be held to the same standards as Google.
[14:40:43] <moparisthebest> good thing is people outside the insanity that is EU won't be held to those insane standards at all
[14:40:59] <Zash> Yeah the requirements and therefore costs seemed to scale with size well enough
[14:41:41] <SamWhited> What's insane about requiring that you disclose who you're sharing user data with and making it easy for them to ask you to purge it? That seems perfectly reasonable.
[14:41:43] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: oh, right. It's much better to live in a country where your ISP is free to datamine you, sell your location data to the highest bidder, to slow down your video streaming and to inject ads into your traffic.
[14:43:24] <moparisthebest> all networks are to be treated as an attacker, that's what encryption/authentication is for
[14:43:51] <moparisthebest> not 'please don't look at my data sir'
[14:44:20] <SamWhited> So encrypt your data? The law heavily encourages that because you're more responsible for losing your users data
[14:44:34] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: oh, great. Now tell me about that magic protocol that will protect my traffic from all analysis, even from traffic pattern recognition
[14:45:07] <Ge0rG> and don't say "use VPN" because the VPN provider is obviously subject to the same (lack of) laws
[14:45:14] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[14:45:15] <moparisthebest> are ISPs doing that now, I thought only govts that aren't affected by these laws did that anyhow
[14:45:30] <moparisthebest> doesn't seem like there would be a lot of money in it
[14:45:48] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:45:48] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[14:45:49] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/04/04/isps-can-now-collect-and-sell-your-data-what-know-internet-privacy/100015356/
[14:45:59] <SamWhited> None of this has anything to do with the law other than that it encourages is by making you more responsible though. I'm not even sure what the encryption thing was about, are you suggesting the law should have been *more* specific and required it?
[14:46:11] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:46:53] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: I think moparisthebest was speaking of encryption as a means for users to protect themselves from data collection
[14:47:12] <SamWhited> Ge0rG: which is fine, I just don't see what that has to do with this argument unless it's just a strawman
[14:47:15] <moparisthebest> SamWhited, I'm suggesting laws are useless with regard to internet privacy, and that encryption is the only option
[14:47:38] <SamWhited> If nothing else tons of companies have now put "Delete account" buttons on their product, which sounds great. That's not useless.
[14:47:48] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:47:51] <SamWhited> They also are making lists of all the people that they're selling or otherwise sharing my data with, which has been very nice.
[14:48:15] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[14:48:20] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, now please tell me how to encrypt my Facebook friends in a way to prevent Facebook from knowing them.
[14:48:23] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[14:48:24] <SamWhited> So it doens't appear that laws related to the internet are useless, quite the contrary, it's been fantastic.
[14:48:29] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[14:48:33] <Link Mauve> And from selling this graph to some other companies.
[14:48:38] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[14:48:42] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: nice but illegal. Almost none of the big data-selling news outlets actually honor the opt-in requirement
[14:48:58] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: and most just say "if you don't want our tracking, delete your cookies"
[14:49:01] <SamWhited> Ge0rG: so your argument is that some people won't follow laws, so we shouldn't have any?
[14:49:17] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[14:49:24] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: not at all. As a user, I love the GDPR
[14:49:28] <Link Mauve> Ge0rG, now let’s wait until enough of their users sue them.
[14:49:41] <Link Mauve> Now that the EU introduced class actions too.
[14:49:54] <Zash> What if we have both laws and tech to back them up?
[14:49:57] <moparisthebest> Link Mauve, easy, if you don't give them the data, they don't have it
[14:50:25] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: you can't not give your data to a web site you are visiting
[14:50:36] *** jonas’ shows as "away"
[14:50:55] <SamWhited> Anyways, I'm a big fan. It gets me frustrated when people dismiss it as another link tax sort of law that doesn't make sense, having implemented it at two companies where it *definitely* made the users data safer
[14:51:03] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, I can also throw away my computer and start growing potatoes, but that’s not something most people will want to do.
[14:51:45] <Link Mauve> Also, I am able to understand the implications of giving my data to Facebook, while most people aren’t.
[14:52:42] <SamWhited> Yah, if you have superpowers and can convince everyone to get off facebook, great, do that. In the mean time, since they're already on it, we need some sort of law that requires that Facebook plays nicely when they leave and cleans up their data.
[14:54:38] <Ge0rG> except that facebook isn't following the law, so we'll see some major fines in the next five to twenty years.
[14:54:45] <moparisthebest> so what's your opinion of latest EU laws? the actual link tax, and forced filtering of all uploaded content?
[14:54:57] <moparisthebest> are those good like GDPR too or is that over the line?
[14:55:16] <moparisthebest> I haven't seen the prosody or ejabberd modules to scan all stanzas for copyright violations that will be required either so
[14:55:19] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: those are utter junk, pushed forward by big media lobbying
[14:55:21] <SamWhited> Those don't make any sense and are garbage because they're pretty much impossible to follow. The GDPR just lists basic data protections you should have been doing anyways
[14:56:02] *** Guus shows as "online"
[14:56:07] <SamWhited> But I also haven't helped implement those anywhere, so I don't really know who has to follow them or what the specific details are.
[14:56:40] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[14:57:14] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[14:57:14] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[14:57:31] <moparisthebest> I agree the general basis of the GDPR is good general data practice to follow, I think it's both unenforceable in general and onerous to small operators though, and shouldn't really be a law, meh
[14:58:17] <SamWhited> God I wish we had something similar here; I'm sure it's not perfect, but I'm pretty okay with it being onerous if those small operators weren't bothering to protect my data before
[14:58:57] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: it wouldn't have become a law if everybody was respecting users' privacy from day 1
[14:59:02] <SamWhited> As for unenforceable, I have no idea. We'll see if fines start rolling out or not I guess. But even if it's unenforceable, it's made two companies I've worked for improve their practices, so it seems to be doing good either way.
[14:59:28] <Ge0rG> and I'm sure it will be enforced.
[14:59:51] <Ge0rG> It just takes time. Significant time. Have a look at the timeframe of the Google Android antitrust case.
[15:00:26] <SamWhited> yah, I don't see why it wouldn't be, it seems straight forward enough… we may not have similar laws in the U.S., but people complain to the FCC about Google and then Google gets fined all the time. This seems to be the same just with more teeth.
[15:00:40] *** Holger has left the room
[15:00:43] *** Holger shows as "online"
[15:00:58] *** j.r has joined the room
[15:01:03] <SamWhited> (or whomever, Google's just a good stand in for "large company doing things they probably shouldn't be")
[15:01:33] <Ge0rG> Heh
[15:01:54] *** lskdjf has left the room
[15:01:57] *** lskdjf has joined the room
[15:02:24] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:02:24] *** j.r has left the room
[15:02:25] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:02:31] *** j.r has joined the room
[15:02:34] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:02:35] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[15:02:57] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:03:05] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:04:32] *** j.r has left the room
[15:04:39] *** j.r has joined the room
[15:07:04] *** karp has left the room
[15:10:48] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[15:15:14] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:15:24] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:15:25] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[15:15:55] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:20:49] <edhelas> ok let's move the discussion there Link Mauve
[15:20:51] <edhelas> regarding https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-avatars.html
[15:21:06] <edhelas> what is the current supports of the code 104 in XMPP clients ?
[15:21:14] *** peter has joined the room
[15:21:57] *** peter shows as "online"
[15:25:05] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:25:21] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:25:32] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:26:24] *** Yagiza has left the room
[15:26:35] *** Nekit has left the room
[15:26:45] *** intosi shows as "online"
[15:27:16] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[15:33:10] *** waqas has joined the room
[15:33:19] *** lorddavidiii has left the room
[15:34:07] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:34:15] *** lorddavidiii has joined the room
[15:34:17] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:35:47] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[15:36:40] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:36:51] *** Yagiza has left the room
[15:37:00] *** intosi shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[15:38:56] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[15:38:57] *** ThibG has joined the room
[15:40:31] *** Zash has left the room
[15:41:40] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:41:48] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:41:49] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[15:42:13] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:42:20] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:43:53] *** lovetox has joined the room
[15:44:02] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:44:11] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:44:11] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[15:45:54] *** jonas’ shows as "online"
[15:46:46] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[15:46:56] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:46:57] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:47:07] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[15:47:07] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[15:48:20] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[15:50:47] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[15:52:30] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:52:37] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:52:40] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[15:52:54] *** alacer has joined the room
[15:53:10] *** Yagiza has left the room
[15:56:38] *** j.r has left the room
[15:56:59] *** j.r has joined the room
[15:58:18] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:32] *** ta shows as "online"
[15:58:56] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[15:59:29] <edhelas> I'm currently having some though on that XEP and I'd like to propose some changes to generalize it
[15:59:53] *** ThibG has joined the room
[16:00:11] <edhelas> the core idea of this XEP is to expose the vcard hash in the bare MUC JID disco#info and notify it using a message 104
[16:00:42] <edhelas> I'd like to propose to do that for also disco#info of Pubsub nodes and all JIDs (including users ones)
[16:01:15] <edhelas> the notification will then be done using a message for MUC, presence or message for users and pubsub message for Pubsub nodes
[16:01:27] <edhelas> then we basically cover all the cases using the same core mechanism
[16:02:22] *** alacer has left the room
[16:03:57] *** SamWhited has left the room
[16:08:31] *** peter shows as "online"
[16:11:16] *** tux has left the room
[16:12:03] *** Kev has joined the room
[16:12:05] *** Kev shows as "online"
[16:12:08] *** Kev has left the room
[16:20:18] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[16:20:55] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[16:21:47] *** l has joined the room
[16:21:48] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[16:22:46] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[16:23:53] *** marc has joined the room
[16:28:49] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[16:29:11] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[16:31:48] *** lnj shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Nicht verfügbar wegen Untätigkeit seit mehr als 15 Minuten)"
[16:36:57] *** SamWhited has left the room
[16:37:17] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[16:37:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[16:37:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[16:37:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[16:37:35] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[16:37:40] *** ta has left the room
[16:39:02] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[16:40:07] *** valo has left the room
[16:40:12] *** valo has joined the room
[16:40:18] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[16:43:33] *** labdsf has left the room
[16:43:35] *** labdsf has joined the room
[16:43:49] *** labdsf has left the room
[16:43:51] *** labdsf has joined the room
[16:47:37] *** peter shows as "online"
[16:49:11] *** SamWhited has left the room
[16:50:31] *** Maranda has left the room
[16:51:08] *** jonas’ shows as "online"
[16:51:10] *** Maranda has joined the room
[16:51:12] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[16:52:07] *** jonas’ has left the room
[16:52:28] *** jonas’ shows as "online"
[16:52:59] *** jonas’ has left the room
[16:53:51] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[16:54:03] *** SamWhited has left the room
[16:54:26] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[16:55:21] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[16:56:18] *** jonas’ has left the room
[16:56:30] *** jonas’ has joined the room
[16:57:56] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[16:57:58] *** jonas’ has left the room
[16:58:03] *** jonas’ has joined the room
[16:58:20] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[17:02:11] *** ta has joined the room
[17:07:12] *** lskdjf has left the room
[17:07:16] *** lskdjf has joined the room
[17:07:20] *** jjrh has left the room
[17:07:21] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[17:10:32] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[17:11:17] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[17:17:56] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[17:19:55] *** jjrh has left the room
[17:20:13] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[17:22:41] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[17:23:01] *** lnj shows as "online"
[17:23:56] *** marc has left the room
[17:25:27] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[17:25:42] *** alacer has joined the room
[17:29:03] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[17:29:04] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[17:29:47] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[17:29:57] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[17:30:42] *** marc has joined the room
[17:31:25] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[17:32:08] <Maranda> SamWhited, if eventually you wanna have some fun ™️ https://conference.gajim.org:5281/pastebin/cd179f64-2dff-4968-9b36-c45b874b48fa
[17:32:11] <Maranda> :D
[17:32:17] *** dwd has joined the room
[17:33:31] <SamWhited> My SCRAM implementation can take any generic hash algorithm, so they're already implemented. On the other hand, those aren't actually defined anywhere and haven't been vetted, so probably not a good idea to use them :)
[17:34:32] *** dwd has left the room
[17:35:05] <jonas’> which are not?
[17:35:40] <SamWhited> Anything other than SHA1 and SHA256, to my knowledge
[17:36:20] <jonas’> right
[17:36:39] <jonas’> although, I think SCRAM doesn’t care *too* much about the hash, as long as the hash is reversible; i.e. it should be as safe as any as long as the hash used is safe
[17:36:46] <jonas’> (that’s a property of PBKDF2 even)
[17:36:47] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:36:55] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:36:57] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[17:36:58] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[17:37:28] <SamWhited> Yah, it should be safe, but probably best not to use random hash algorithms that aren't defined anywhere for no reason; SHA-1 and SHA-256 are both fine.
[17:37:39] *** dwd has joined the room
[17:37:39] *** dwd has left the room
[17:37:43] <jonas’> hmmm
[17:37:45] <SamWhited> Kafka supports SCRAM-SHA-512 for some reason, so I guess you could use it with that
[17:37:45] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[17:37:53] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[17:38:09] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[17:38:17] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:38:21] *** dwd has joined the room
[17:38:31] *** Yagiza has left the room
[17:38:32] *** Andrew Nenakhov shows as "online"
[17:38:37] <jonas’> Maranda, if you just want to poke at your implementation, aioxmpp should support all of those (if your build of python has them).
[17:38:51] <jonas’> you’d have to play some tricks to force it to use a specific one of them though)
[17:38:55] <SamWhited> ugg, does aiosasl support all these too? That makes me sad
[17:39:14] <Maranda> 👍
[17:39:32] <jonas’> SamWhited, I don’t see a convincing argument for *not* allowing other variants of the SHA-2 family if one variant of the SHA-2 family is specified
[17:39:42] <SamWhited> Where security is concerned, just randomly changing things because it has a bigger number or whatever probably isn't a good idea. I can't imagine how this would go wrong, but for compatibility if nothing else it makes me sad that people are implementing them and other people consuming the library who don't know any better will think it's osmething to use
[17:40:00] *** dwd has left the room
[17:40:28] <SamWhited> I don't see a convincing argument to implement them, and as far as I'm concerned the burden of proof should be on that side of things whenver auth is concerned.
[17:40:34] <jonas’> to be honest, I somewhat assumed that they were specified due to the wildcard in the IANA registry
[17:40:34] *** j.r has joined the room
[17:41:00] *** lnj shows as "online"
[17:41:03] <SamWhited> Oh, interesting; I could be wrong. I didn't see an RFC though, does the IANA registry link to a document?
[17:41:15] <jonas’> yes, to the one for SCRAM-SHA-256
[17:41:17] <jonas’> https://www.iana.org/assignments/sasl-mechanisms/sasl-mechanisms.xhtml
[17:41:25] <jonas’> I guess technically this is just a reservation of the SCRAM- prefix
[17:41:58] <SamWhited> Oh, yah, that's just a reservation for the entire familyl
[17:42:05] <jonas’>
Note to future SCRAM-mechanism designers: each new SASL SCRAM
mechanism MUST be explicitly registered with IANA within the SASL
SCRAM Family Mechanisms registry.
[17:42:08] <jonas’> yeah
[17:42:10] <jonas’> that’s pretty explicit
[17:42:18] <jonas’> also a very convincing argument to remove support
[17:44:44] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:44:54] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:46:51] <jonas’> SamWhited, there you go https://github.com/horazont/aiosasl/issues/6
[17:47:29] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[17:47:38] <jonas’> the "minimum iteration count" parameter of the registry is interesting, too
[17:49:17] *** Yagiza has left the room
[17:49:24] <SamWhited> ♡ thanks; between security concerns and standardization concerns this makes me very happy.
[17:50:16] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[17:50:44] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:50:54] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:51:29] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[17:51:30] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[17:51:37] *** Yagiza has left the room
[17:52:11] *** dwd has joined the room
[17:52:18] *** l shows as "online"
[17:54:01] <Maranda> hm, interesting, well the implementation in Metronome is SHA digesting algorithm agnostic as well so it doesn't matter.
[17:54:45] *** Neustradamus shows as "away"
[17:55:25] <SamWhited> It matters in the sense that this is auth which is extremely important and security sensitive. In crypto, tiny insubstantial changes can often have a big impact that we don't forsee; it's not exactly intuitive. I doubt this is a problem, but it doesn't help to add more algorithms for no reason and it *possibly* hurts. Might as well just leave it to the experts and not make up your own crypto.
[17:55:31] *SamWhited has huge pet peeve about this sort of thing
[17:55:57] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[17:56:28] <jonas’> me too, normally, but I hadn’t seen this as "making up new crypto" to be honest
[17:56:56] <SamWhited> Well, "changing existing crypto", then. I agree, I can't imagine this possibly causes any problems, but it's also not necessary so why take the risk?
[17:57:13] <jonas’> yeah
[17:57:26] <Maranda> SamWhited, I didn't mean that way :P
[17:57:37] <SamWhited> Heh, cool; sorry I'm being grumpy about it.
[17:57:44] <jonas’> ’tis fine
[17:57:47] *** lnj shows as "online"
[17:58:08] <SamWhited> This is just the kind of thing where I expect the longer hash will cause some buffer operation to behave slightly differently on some architecture and then suddenly you have a side channel, or something.
[17:58:28] <Maranda> I didn't know they weren't defined either, blame google for returning result on SCRAM-SHA-384 and SCRAM-SHA-512
[17:58:31] <SamWhited> (well, I don't "expect" it, but I could see it happening)
[17:58:40] <Maranda> I didn't know they weren't defined either, blame google for returning results on SCRAM-SHA-384 and SCRAM-SHA-512
[17:58:58] <jonas’> that doesn’t make sense to me, actually
[17:59:03] <jonas’> that would be a fundamental problem of pbkdf2 then
[17:59:09] <jonas’> which I think we would know about
[17:59:15] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:59:18] *** tux shows as "online"
[17:59:26] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[17:59:27] <jonas’> (we = the cryptography community, thus warning louder against it and deprecating pbkdf2 for that reason)
[17:59:45] <SamWhited> I was just making up a random example, I agree it's not likely
[17:59:50] <jonas’> sure
[17:59:59] *** Guus has left the room
[18:00:06] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:00:22] *** Yagiza has left the room
[18:01:54] *** dwd shows as "online"
[18:02:16] *** marc shows as "online"
[18:02:52] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[18:05:21] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[18:05:41] *** MattJ has left the room
[18:08:57] *** Guus has left the room
[18:10:34] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[18:12:53] *** lnj shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Nicht verfügbar wegen Untätigkeit seit mehr als 15 Minuten)"
[18:13:36] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:13:37] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:13:41] *** peter shows as "online"
[18:13:47] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:13:48] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:14:17] *** Yagiza has left the room
[18:15:09] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[18:17:22] *** daniel shows as "online"
[18:18:38] *** ThibG has left the room
[18:18:40] *** ThibG has joined the room
[18:19:52] *** dwd has left the room
[18:20:33] *** dwd shows as "online"
[18:21:59] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:22:00] *** dwd has left the room
[18:22:10] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:22:53] *** Yagiza has left the room
[18:23:27] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[18:23:29] *** dwd has left the room
[18:23:30] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[18:23:42] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:24:09] *** dwd has joined the room
[18:25:18] *** dwd has left the room
[18:31:23] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:31:33] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:31:33] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[18:35:42] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[18:35:48] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[18:35:49] *** lovetox shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away, idle 5 min)"
[18:36:11] *** !xsf_martin has joined the room
[18:37:31] *** j.r has left the room
[18:37:49] *** j.r has joined the room
[18:38:31] *** lnj shows as "online"
[18:38:41] *** ThibG has left the room
[18:38:42] *** ThibG has joined the room
[18:40:55] *** marc has left the room
[18:41:01] *** marc shows as "online"
[18:42:09] *** Yagiza has left the room
[18:43:01] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[18:43:55] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[18:44:18] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:44:28] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:44:42] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[18:44:55] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[18:45:33] *** Yagiza has left the room
[18:45:55] *** 404.city has left the room
[18:46:26] *** UsL has joined the room
[18:49:32] *** l shows as "online"
[18:55:04] *** Yagiza shows as "away" and his status message is "Автостатус из-за бездействия более чем 10 минут"
[18:55:28] *** dwd has joined the room
[18:59:18] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:03:19] *** karp shows as "xa" and his status message is "Сплю"
[19:04:18] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:07:09] *** dwd has left the room
[19:08:57] *** Guus has left the room
[19:09:07] *** Guus has joined the room
[19:13:02] *** labdsf has left the room
[19:13:04] *** labdsf has joined the room
[19:17:55] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:18:51] *** SamWhited has left the room
[19:20:23] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:20:36] *** peter shows as "online"
[19:23:42] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:24:44] *** Maranda shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Non disponibile per inattività dopo più di 15 minuti)"
[19:24:46] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[19:27:13] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[19:29:32] *** lovetox shows as "online"
[19:30:56] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[19:32:11] *** lnj shows as "online"
[19:34:16] *** marc has left the room
[19:34:32] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[19:34:33] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[19:34:33] *** dwd has left the room
[19:34:34] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:34:44] *** marc shows as "online"
[19:35:13] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[19:35:17] *** dwd has left the room
[19:35:18] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[19:35:58] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:40:00] *** dwd has left the room
[19:41:02] *** Maranda shows as "away" and his status message is " (Assente per inattività dopo più di 5 minuti)"
[19:42:30] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:43:03] *** lnj shows as "away" and his status message is " (Abwesend wegen Untätigkeit für mehr als 5 Minuten)"
[19:44:18] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[19:45:16] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[19:45:47] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:45:56] *** lnj shows as "online"
[19:46:28] *** dwd has left the room
[19:47:32] *** alacer has left the room
[19:49:59] *** peter shows as "online"
[19:50:15] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[19:50:21] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[19:50:51] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[19:51:02] *** Maranda shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Non disponibile per inattività dopo più di 15 minuti)"
[19:51:09] *** dwd has left the room
[19:51:27] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[19:51:35] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[19:54:23] *** Yagiza has left the room
[19:54:39] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[19:54:46] *** dwd has joined the room
[19:56:41] *** thorsten has joined the room
[19:57:50] *** thorsten has left the room
[19:58:00] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[19:58:38] *** thorsten has joined the room
[19:58:49] *** Zash shows as "online"
[19:58:50] *** Zash shows as "online"
[19:59:22] *** Guus has left the room
[20:01:00] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[20:02:37] *** Guus has joined the room
[20:03:02] *** Yagiza shows as "online" and his status message is "Доступен"
[20:03:32] *** lnj has left the room
[20:04:30] *** Yagiza has left the room
[20:05:01] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[20:05:02] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[20:05:43] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[20:05:44] *** dwd shows as "online"
[20:05:46] *** dwd has left the room
[20:05:47] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[20:06:10] *** Guus shows as "online"
[20:06:16] *** tux has left the room
[20:06:27] *** dwd shows as "online"
[20:06:54] *** dwd has left the room
[20:16:00] *** dwd has left the room
[20:20:56] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[20:21:06] *** ta has left the room
[20:22:35] *** j.r has left the room
[20:22:49] *** lnj has left the room
[20:22:50] *** j.r has joined the room
[20:25:14] *** dwd has joined the room
[20:28:00] *** dwd has left the room
[20:35:25] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[20:35:26] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[20:35:39] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[20:35:44] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[20:36:07] *** dwd has joined the room
[20:36:07] *** dwd has left the room
[20:36:07] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[20:36:08] *** dwd has joined the room
[20:37:07] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[20:37:58] *** dwd shows as "online"
[20:39:47] *** Guus shows as "online"
[20:40:00] *** dwd has left the room
[20:42:29] *** Seve/SouL has left the room
[20:42:32] *** Seve/SouL shows as "online"
[20:45:12] *** equil shows as "online"
[20:45:32] *** daniel has left the room
[20:45:45] *** dwd shows as "online"
[20:46:00] *** dwd has left the room
[20:46:07] *** Guus shows as "online"
[20:49:37] *** dwd has left the room
[20:50:30] *** vanitasvitae shows as "online"
[20:55:14] *** Guus shows as "online"
[20:56:19] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[20:57:20] *** lskdjf has left the room
[20:57:36] *** dwd has joined the room
[20:57:44] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[20:57:51] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[20:58:16] *** dwd has left the room
[20:58:32] *** goffi has left the room
[21:01:53] *** ThibG has left the room
[21:01:55] *** ThibG has joined the room
[21:02:32] *** !xsf_martin has left the room
[21:04:11] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[21:04:16] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[21:05:49] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[21:05:50] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[21:07:14] *** lovetox has left the room
[21:07:52] *** ThibG has left the room
[21:07:53] *** ThibG has joined the room
[21:07:54] *** lovetox has joined the room
[21:08:33] *** Guus shows as "online"
[21:09:41] *** daniel has left the room
[21:09:43] *** daniel has joined the room
[21:09:50] *** lovetox has left the room
[21:10:01] *** SamWhited has left the room
[21:10:06] *** lovetox has joined the room
[21:10:18] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[21:13:20] *** j.r has joined the room
[21:15:33] *** Tobias has left the room
[21:15:34] *** Tobias has joined the room
[21:18:58] *** Guus shows as "online"
[21:20:58] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[21:22:20] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:23:32] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:25:18] *** js has joined the room
[21:25:46] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:25:59] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:28:20] *** j.r has joined the room
[21:28:25] *** lorddavidiii has left the room
[21:28:47] *** dwd has joined the room
[21:30:50] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:31:17] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:31:35] *** dwd has left the room
[21:32:41] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[21:32:41] *** peter shows as "online"
[21:32:45] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[21:33:13] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[21:33:13] *** Andrew Nenakhov has joined the room
[21:33:14] *** Andrew Nenakhov has left the room
[21:34:25] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:34:39] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:36:52] *** marc has left the room
[21:37:41] *** dwd has joined the room
[21:39:27] *** dwd shows as "online"
[21:39:35] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:40:00] *** dwd has left the room
[21:40:19] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:40:41] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[21:43:02] *** peter shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[21:43:11] *** dwd shows as "online"
[21:43:29] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[21:43:32] *** j.r has joined the room
[21:46:00] *** dwd has left the room
[21:47:39] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:47:54] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:50:35] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:50:58] *** dwd has left the room
[21:51:26] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:51:39] *** dwd has joined the room
[21:52:21] *** dwd has left the room
[21:52:42] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:53:48] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:53:57] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:54:19] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:56:30] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[21:57:20] *** Guus shows as "online"
[21:58:04] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[21:59:02] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:00:03] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:00:04] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:00:21] *** js shows as "away" and his status message is "Abwesend"
[22:00:28] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:01:48] *** lovetox has left the room
[22:02:57] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:03:01] *** peter shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto Status (idle)"
[22:03:12] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:04:33] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:04:35] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:05:31] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:06:29] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:06:46] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:07:12] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:07:22] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:07:36] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:07:51] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:08:05] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:08:13] *** thorsten has joined the room
[22:08:53] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:09:11] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:09:58] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:10:22] *** js shows as "away" and his status message is "Abwesend"
[22:11:48] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:12:34] *** js shows as "away" and his status message is "Abwesend"
[22:12:40] *** js shows as "online"
[22:12:51] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:13:19] *** j.r has joined the room
[22:14:15] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:18:45] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:18:46] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:18:49] *** dwd has joined the room
[22:19:00] *** dwd has left the room
[22:22:25] *** 404.city has joined the room
[22:23:43] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:23:47] *** 404.city shows as "online"
[22:24:24] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:24:32] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:24:34] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:24:38] *** 404.city has left the room
[22:25:55] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:26:55] *** js shows as "away" and his status message is "Abwesend"
[22:27:10] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:28:10] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:28:19] *** j.r has joined the room
[22:28:22] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:28:48] *** j.r has left the room
[22:28:53] *** j.r has joined the room
[22:30:31] *** js shows as "online"
[22:30:35] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:30:59] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:33:16] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:33:37] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:33:43] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:34:04] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:34:19] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:34:49] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:35:13] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:35:17] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:37:15] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:43:20] *** j.r has joined the room
[22:46:10] *** dwd has joined the room
[22:46:48] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:46:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:49:00] *** dwd has left the room
[22:49:22] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[22:50:53] *** efrit has joined the room
[22:52:29] *** vanitasvitae has joined the room
[22:53:25] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[22:53:53] *** Maranda has left the room
[22:53:57] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[22:54:19] *** Maranda has left the room
[22:54:32] *** Maranda shows as "online"
[22:54:42] *** Maranda has left the room
[22:56:30] *** vanitasvitae has joined the room
[22:56:36] *** js has left the room
[22:57:14] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:57:15] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:58:35] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[22:58:59] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[22:59:33] *** valo has joined the room
[23:00:09] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:00:24] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:00:38] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:00:55] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:03:46] *** thorsten has left the room
[23:03:51] *** thorsten has joined the room
[23:04:01] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:04:16] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:07:02] *** dwd has joined the room
[23:08:05] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:08:20] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:08:41] *** dwd has left the room
[23:20:16] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:20:17] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:22:40] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:23:32] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:23:44] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:23:44] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:23:54] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:24:01] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:24:26] *** dwd has joined the room
[23:24:26] *** dwd has left the room
[23:24:26] *** dwd has joined the room
[23:28:18] *** SamWhited has left the room
[23:30:24] *** UsL has left the room
[23:30:26] *** UsL has joined the room
[23:32:11] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:32:17] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:33:05] *** Dave Cridland has left the room
[23:34:00] *** dwd has left the room
[23:37:17] *** Dave Cridland shows as "online"
[23:39:36] *** dwd has joined the room
[23:40:01] *** dwd has left the room
[23:40:49] *** efrit has left the room
[23:41:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:41:36] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:42:58] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[23:44:18] *** peter has left the room
[23:51:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:51:33] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:53:09] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:53:09] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:55:38] *** peter has joined the room
[23:55:39] *** Maranda has left the room
[23:56:39] *** peter has left the room