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nyco
Matrix is blindly attacking XMPP again https://twitter.com/matrixdotorg/status/1048103304402808832 I've answered if you wanna do so as well, I suggest with facts and politely
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daniel
50k concurrent? That sound like they are bashing themselves 😂
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Ge0rG
My server doesn't have 50k concurrent users.
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Holger
nyco: I think he means their server "does a lot more" per user than an XMPP server. So what he's trying to say is that not only Synapse is scaling badly but the protocol as well. I'll cite that next time someone tells me that Go will fix everything 😉
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nyco
yeah, and XMPP federation just works, and has been proven at large scale (with Google and Facebook, probably tens of millions of users, I wouldn't bet hundreds of millions)
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Maranda
50k with what? 2-3 TiBs of RAM? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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daniel
It scales very well. Just add more ram. Ram is cheao
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Ge0rG
nyco: I'm not sure Facebook ever had federation. And the Google one was quirky all the way
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nyco
I don't wanna brag or bash... but the Matrix ecosystem has tried hard to develop a "homeserver" (the name says a lot... but it may only be related to the beginnings, the ambition having changed meanwhile) for years now: Synapse (under active development), Dendron (abandoned), Dendrite (Dendron done Right, a re-write, seems quite stalled), and the very new servers that are all in their infancy Ruma, The Construct, Plasma, jeon let them mature at their own pace
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nyco
Ge0rG oh right, I remember it was just C2S connectivity, right?
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Ge0rG
nyco: exactly
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Maranda
Microsoft at one point too for Live Messenger
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nyco
Ge0rG thx for correcting
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nyco
Maranda ah maybe, that may come from a long forgotten memory... well, for sure, Microsoft did XMPP (and SIP) federation with OCS (Office Communications Servers) or Lync
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Ge0rG
I still wonder if I can get XMPP federation with my o365 business account.
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nyco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business_Server#XMPP
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nyco
Ge0rG well, my bet is, now that IM has greatly evolved with Team Chat (or EIM, Enterprise Instant Messaging), having lots of mini-features, the many players are uneven in terms of how these mini-features behave so that would be a nightmare, basic features would work
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Ge0rG
nyco: I actually tried Teams out for some days, and even its integration with Lync was horrible
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edhelas
I have an issue regarding the changes that I'm doing to the MUC Avatar XEP (that is currently in Inbox) https://github.com/edhelas/xeps/commit/a776a6b3600305067400f52cc2f9a059f9139338#diff-5f89805e586ecd845ea99f0c89f337bcR142 (see https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-September/035361.html for more info)
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edhelas
I'm wondering how a vcard could be published to a Pubsub node
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moparisthebest
Ge0rG: we tried out Microsoft teams, so fancy but basic chat was so bad it was essentially unusable
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moparisthebest
Like each message can be a thread, but if you reply to an older one, it pulls it out of its former place in history
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moparisthebest
Then scrolling back and reading makes no sense
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moparisthebest
Among other things
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lovetox
what do companys use for videochat if they dont have skype?
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MattJ
Anything from Jitsi to Zoom, WebEx... I was in a GoToMeeting today
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MattJ
and of course Google Hangouts/Meet
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lovetox
my company has probably a some 6 figures in video conferencing hardware that is based on skype
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MattJ
I'm sorry to hear that
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lovetox
dont be, i mean it works decent, i never saw something else though
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lovetox
im just wondering, if there are really hardware solutions out there that support all these messengers
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lovetox
i mean such a video conferencing system is probably 10.000 euro+
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lovetox
if i buy something like that it needs to work with most of my customers
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Zash
Have you ever been to FOSDEM and the Cisco-hosted XMPP Summit?
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lovetox
nope
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lovetox
we have cicso systems, still running skype though
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lovetox
also when i think about messing, you have email in the company, thats not going away, now you add something like slack because you know IM, then you still have skype thats for video chat and also has IM (bad but still), now you conversations spread over 3 systems
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Zash
Yup
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lovetox
then you have some kind of wiki, where everyone can leave comments, then you have JIRA for your workflows where everyone comments on the issues
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Zash
"Unified Messaging" was some big hyped buzzword for a while there
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lovetox
its a fucking mess :D
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Zash
It keeps going back to a mess, yeah.
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Zash
Being good at all those different parts at the same time is much harder than building something good at only one thing.
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MattJ
All of the tools grow until they do everything badly
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Zash
*All* the tools