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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:32:42] <Guus> any lawyers here? If I link to a CDN-based interpreted library that's GPL3-licensed (and not make it part of my code base), can I still release my code under the Apache v2 license?
[08:33:21] <fippo> IANAL, but isn't linking what makes GPL and LGPL different?
[08:34:53] <jonas’> Guus, IANAL, but this seems like a "no"
[08:35:05] <jonas’> Guus, you could ask here: https://opensource.stackexchange.com/
[08:35:23] <Guus> just found this, which suggests 'no' https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/158789/can-i-link-to-a-gpl-library-from-a-closed-source-application
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[08:36:21] <jonas’> that’s kind of the point of the GPL
[08:36:44] <Guus> oh, but this indicates that GPL v3 and Apache v2 are compatible: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
[08:36:51] <jonas’> yes
[08:36:59] <jonas’> but that only means that you can include apache v2 code in a GPL project
[08:37:00] <jonas’> not vice versa
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[08:38:15] <Guus> ah 😕
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[09:05:14] <daniel> jonas’: I think it will essentially be dual licensed
[09:05:28] <daniel> Meant to mention Guus
[09:05:55] <daniel> People can take *your* code under apache
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[09:27:37] <Ge0rG> and you can't include apache code in a gplv2 application. Life sucks.
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[10:04:11] <flow> daniel, no
[10:05:19] <flow> if you have a product made of GPLv3+ and APL2, then your product is essentially goverend by GPLv3+
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[12:41:13] <pep.> Is there anybody taking care of pinging the CCC in the end? Should I send something? (istr SCAM was doing it?)
[12:41:28] <pep.> I got a ticket already, but I know a few who would like one
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[12:44:26] <jonas’> I don’t think anything has happened
[12:44:36] <jonas’> I think I mentioned the correct point of contact both here and in scam@
[12:44:54] <jonas’> ok, apparently not in scam@
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[12:47:09] <pep.> Can you remind me of it? I'll send something right now
[12:48:23] <jonas’> pep., 35c3-tickets@cccv.de
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[13:00:03] <pep.> Sent.
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[13:16:23] <daniel> pep.: yeah I offered to write that email myself a few days or weeks ago. But seems that nobody is actually interested in getting their tickets over the xsf
[13:16:39] <daniel> But doesn't hurt to have them I guess...
[13:17:06] <pep.> :)
[13:17:20] <pep.> Thanks, I didn't notice
[13:18:44] <pep.> I wouldn't mind adding that to whatever agenda there is, so that we do it systemically every year
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[13:27:59] <pep.> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/35C3
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[13:28:20] <pep.> daniel, I copied the page from last year, I left you in the list of participants :)
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[14:40:02] <genofire> There is already a little xmpp 35c3 muc @ xmpp:35c3@conference.jabber.ccc.de?join
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