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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[10:01:48] <jonas’> Ge0rG, you still need that ibr-detection-script?
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[10:02:27] <Ge0rG> jonas’: it'd be great to run my old xmpp.net list against that, to remove invalid/dead servers from the yaxim list
[10:02:40] <Ge0rG> I'm pretty sure I don't need 100% Conversations Compliance.
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[10:09:57] <jonas’> Ge0rG, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/aa6f149c/
[10:10:04] <jonas’> returns 0 if offered, 1 if not offered, 2 on error
[10:10:10] <jonas’> also prints something to stdout if offered
[10:10:13] <jonas’> (and nothing if not offered)
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[10:10:37] <jonas’> takes only one argument, use with xargs to batch-process a long list
[10:11:19] <Ge0rG> jonas’: awesome, thanks!
[10:11:21] <jonas’> e.g. cat list_of_old_domains | xargs -n1 -P8 -- check_register.py | sed -r 's/^(\S+)\s.+$/\1/ > new_list_of_domains
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[10:14:21] <Ge0rG> jonas’: running it from the aioxmpp git directory isn't sufficient for it to find the aioxmpp library?
[10:14:32] <Ge0rG> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'aioxmpp' :(
[10:14:38] <jonas’> it should be sufficient
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[10:14:53] <jonas’> fire up a python interpreter and try to import aioxmpp from where you are
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[10:15:41] <Ge0rG> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pytz'
[10:15:46] <Ge0rG> this I can fix
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[10:22:49] <jonas’> probably that then
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[10:42:01] <Ge0rG> The moment when you realize that you can't determine whether a MUC is non-anonymous, because your MUCUser object can only remember one status value.
[10:42:43] <edhelas> <3
[10:42:45] <Ge0rG> jonas’: that rabbit hole is deeeeeeeep... `ImportError: cannot import name 'opentype'`
[10:42:47] <jonas’> work around it by firing a disco#info whenever you get status updates!!k
[10:42:50] <jonas’> Ge0rG, zeheck?
[10:42:53] <Ge0rG> from pyasn1.type import opentype
[10:42:59] <jonas’> different opentype probably
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[10:43:05] <jonas’> install pyasn1 from repositories and uninstall what you installed via pip
[10:43:14] <jonas’> apt install python3-pyasn1{,-modules}
[10:44:02] <Ge0rG> jonas’: I have the apt versions installed
[10:44:12] <jonas’> make sure you don’t have pip versions installed, too
[10:44:33] <jonas’> python3 -c 'import pyasn1; print(pyasn1.__path__)'
[10:45:23] <Ge0rG> Le Sigh. I had it installed as user, not as root.
[10:46:24] <jonas’> wait a month or two until you can apt install python3-aioxmpp/unstable ;-)
[10:46:32] <jonas’> or just give me the list
[10:47:07] <Ge0rG> I'm almost there! ...I hope...
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[10:49:31] <Ge0rG> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'aioopenssl'
[10:49:44] <jonas’> pip for now, upload to debian is still pending
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[11:22:04] <Ge0rG> of the 116 domains on my old list, only 37 do IBR according to the script
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[11:22:33] <jonas’> no warranties something something
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[11:23:06] <Ge0rG> shall I rerun and diff?
[11:23:29] <jonas’> I would be extremely surprised if it was non-deterministic
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[11:24:03] <flow> Ge0rG, would be interesting how many domains would allow trivial account creation (no-captcha, etc.)
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[11:24:49] <Ge0rG> flow: indeed. I'd need to filter for that anyway because yaxim only supports trivial account creation
[11:25:09] <Ge0rG> I wish we had an easy mechanism to populate a data form into Android widgets.
[11:25:17] <jonas’> can’t be that hard
[11:25:35] <Ge0rG> You could do awesome things with that, like in-MUC polls etc.
[11:25:50] <Ge0rG> interactive bot UIs
[11:26:01] <Ge0rG> or even interactive text games.
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[18:13:33] <MattJ> Isn't it a massive mistake for this example not to include publish-options? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0223.html#example-3
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[18:16:06] <peter> MattJ: well, the next example shows that, no?
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[18:16:50] <MattJ> It does, but isn't the whole point of that XEP to encourage, or rather enforce, the use of publish-options?
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[18:17:12] <Zash> Safest to assume that someone is going to look at only that example and make all the wrong assumptions based on it
[18:17:27] <MattJ> iirc some clients were found to be leaking bookmarks by not including publish-options
[18:17:31] <peter> I see your point; pull requests welcome.
[18:17:48] <MattJ> I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious
[18:18:05] <peter> You're not! :-)
[18:18:17] <MattJ> I just opened the XEP to copy/paste an example publish with publish-options, and that was the first example I looked at :)
[18:19:39] <peter> I can't remember why we wrote it that way, but adjusting it as you recommend seems like a good idea.
[18:19:57] <MattJ> Ok, I'll add it to my todo
[18:20:03] <peter> Thanks.
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[18:22:58] *peter tries not to think about his todo list ;-)
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[18:34:41] <Ge0rG> MattJ [19:20]:
> Ok, I'll add it to my todo
That is kind of a no-op for the next year, right?
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[18:56:11] <MattJ> Depends on the priority :)
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[19:33:34] <Ge0rG> I've got a bunch of to-do items on various XEPs... 😣
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[19:49:33] <jonas’> peter, talking about your todo, how’s the cleansing of conference.jabber.org coming along? :)
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[20:38:43] <peter> jonas’: replied via email
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[20:39:54] <jonas’> nice thanks
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[21:14:38] <lovetox> its weird indeed, if i read that example i expect that afterwards is described why this is NOT a good idea
[21:15:15] <lovetox> for example because the autocreate feature assumes server defaults and these do not fit the usecase
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[21:15:43] <lovetox> but instead it just says nothing about it, like it is intended to be one step in the workflow
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