XSF Discussion - 2018-11-03


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  195. jonas’ yes.
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  198. edhelas I made some changes yesterday to the MUC Avatars XEP (renamed to Resources Avatars) to generalize the publication of avatars on any XMPP resources. For the Pubsub nodes I used the <configure> tag (see https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/713/files#diff-5f89805e586ecd845ea99f0c89f337bcR141) and I'd be cirous to know your point of view on that way of doing things.
  199. jonas’ edhelas, ping me tomorrow, I’ll probably not have the time to process the PR today
  200. edhelas no problem :)
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  204. Ge0rG edhelas: "resource" has a distinct meaning in xmpp, you should use "entity" probably
  205. edhelas indeed
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  208. Ge0rG And I don't think you need "XMPP" in the title
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  213. Ge0rG For my taste, "entity" is too generic, but I don't see a better term
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  219. Ge0rG "Service Avatars" wouldn't quite fit. Maybe "Non-User Avatars"? But that has some inelegance to it.
  220. Ge0rG "Machine Avatars" doesn't cut it either.
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  223. flow naming things is hard
  224. flow Right now I would favor "Entity Avatars"
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  230. Ge0rG Yes, my other suggestions were clearly worse, but intended to spur creative discussion.
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  289. flow It appears there is no way to determine if xep198 resumption is supported by just looking at the stream features. :/ I wonder if it is worth changing that…
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  295. jonas’ flow, what would you gain from that information?
  296. flow jonas’, Smack's integration test framework could determine right after connecting if the stream resumption test should been run or not
  297. flow whereas right now I've to wait until <enabled/>
  298. jonas’ I see
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  300. flow and given that resumption is an optional part of sm and most sm implementations start with ack only, it would just be nice to announce the availability of that optional feature in the stream features
  301. jonas’ hm, normal clients probably don’t care because you can make use of acks anyways
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  306. daniel Plus you probably want the ack on resume
  307. daniel Even if the resume itself will fail
  308. Zash I made one that only acked, stored the 'h' count and returned that on attempted resume.
  309. jonas’ how does that help?
  310. Zash Simple implementation, client gets to know what was lost.
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  313. Zash As in, it persisted the ack number across restarts and whatever.
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  316. jonas’ hm, but stanzas from the server would then still be lost?
  317. daniel > hm, but stanzas from the server would then still be lost? Get it from mam
  318. Zash They'd be known to be unacked at session destruction time
  319. Zash also that
  320. daniel I mean a full on sm implementation is still better
  321. daniel But I see the benefits of the simplicity
  322. Zash > Prosody - a study in simplicity
  323. jonas’ interesting
  324. jonas’ it violates expectations of the client though
  325. jonas’ but not in a way which you need to be able to handle anyways…
  326. jonas’ (e.g. an IQ response could be lost due to that)
  327. jonas’ I wonder whether it’s valuable to degrade to this behaviour when memory pressure gets too high to maintain all hibernated sessions
  328. Zash That was probably the idea behind having the h value in the resumption-failed response
  329. jonas’ ohhh
  330. jonas’ so you’re saying "resumption failed, but here’s the h I know"
  331. jonas’ I didn’t even know that was possible
  332. Zash It's new
  333. Zash relatively
  334. jonas’ 2015-09-13. not sure I have an excuse for not seeing that...
  335. Zash Feels like yesterday
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  395. Ge0rG I wonder how many clients honor the server parameter for resumption.
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  418. lovetox Gajim does
  419. lovetox important, otherwise you resend messages already sent and produce duplicates
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  428. Ge0rG lovetox: I mean the location value > The <enabled/> element MAY include a 'location' attribute to specify the server's preferred IP address or hostname (optionally with a port) for reconnection
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  430. lovetox gajim honors it
  431. lovetox though never tested
  432. lovetox let me take that back, it probably will not work :D
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  436. rion I'm not sure if it ever tested for Psi but the code is as well there
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  439. Ge0rG What's psi? 😜
  440. Ge0rG I know for sure it won't work in yaxim
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  465. rion yep. psi is somewhat unknown nowdays. almost no time for development. and in fact I prefer Telegram to xmpp.
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  467. rion although I released 1.4 a couple of days ago.
  468. rion basically includes just SM fixes
  469. Ge0rG Telegram is also very popular with Russian jabber spammers
  470. rion =)
  471. Ge0rG rion: there are still people using pidgin, so nothing against psi.
  472. Ge0rG rion: what about making psi as easily usable as telegram?
  473. rion Ge0rG: only if I quit my job.
  474. rion and family ))
  475. Zash Doooo iiiiit
  476. rion :-D
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  478. Ge0rG Move under a bridge with free wifi and dedicate your life to Easy XMPP
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  481. Link Mauve Yup, I can highly recommend quitting your job if you can afford it.
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  485. Ge0rG I can't.
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  487. Zash Vägra jobba Svik tillväxten Var oförmögen
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